Castle Paradox

Komera · Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 711

i've thought about reviewing ffh (simply because i personally know what it's like to want reviews and never see them coming), but on each attempt to play through something has happened to the computer (virus, powerout, powersurge, whatever...) and i loose all progress. at this point, i'm simply bored of having to replay the same area over and over and over and over... the furthest i've managed so far before loosing data is the first passing through cresent lake.

<joke>but seriously, you know what, fenrir? your game is cursed. my computer lasts longer if i don't play it. so phtttttttt!!!!</joke>
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Flamer · Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2003 11:08 pm Post subject:

heh, that's mainly the reason i don't do reviews... some screwed error and i lose the data.
the other being that i can easily be persuaded for or against and my review will be affected.
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Eggie · Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 904

STAY ON TOPIC

Rolling Stone · **Bastard Gunslinger** Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 494

What I don't like about the idea is the lack of continuity in review quality. Some reviewers would give Wingedmene an F while giving generic Dragonball game no. 7 an A. Rather, the article section should be set up, and if someone likes, they can do an article on a particular OHRer's 'career'. Showing their development from game one to their most recent work.
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Flamer · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 8:58 pm Post subject:

hmmm... yeah.
prejudism is the biggest problem with userlevels, because a prejudiced vote (pointed out by rolling stone) will be able to affect the user regardless of whether it's a recent game or not... prejudism will still take place.
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Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

"Some reviewers would give Wingedmene an F while giving generic Dragonball game no. 7 an A."

i doubt any reviewer would do that (and mean it). i've seen stupid reviewers, but not that stupid.

also some of the problems you (plural you) are pointing out already exist with the averaging of reviews thing -- for example arfenhouse has about 6 reviews and an average grade. this is just extending the idea, taking an average of average grades. a second average would be no more inherently bad than the first average was.
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RPGrealm5 · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:31 pm Post subject:

I'm speaking for myself as I say this but...
If someone were to have a grade that wasn't good, (mine would be an F+)
People could just disregard anything that person had to say. Someone who hasn't made a game vs. someone who at least tried to make one would have more power and would just skip through that person's posts.
(I'm not saying this applies to everyone who hasn't made a game)
If this somehow gets out and people to get stamps on their heads, would someone who has tried to make a game and failed be a lower class than someone who hasn't? Just a question...
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I'd say let's keep the game grades in the GAME SECTION of the Castle Paradox world, and the posting in the MESSAGE BOARD SECTION of the Castle Paradox world. That is to say that game facts (eg. actual grades, etc.) should NOT be carried over into the message board area except by reasonable discussion NOT in the form of a stat under your avatar. It just makes sense to me to keep the two areas somewhat seperate.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

*rolls eyes*

Guys, this system is going to be added to CP eventually. Nothing any of you have said has convinced me that it is a bad idea. In fact, it has convinced me that the majority of you are wishy washy sissies who are terrified of being judged based on the work you create. You all realize that when this system comes to pass, the grade for games underneath my name will be a C+, correct? Because that's the average grade of my games. And frankly, I'm not particularly worried about this.

Once again, the forums are designed to aid you in your game design. People will not ignore someone with an overall F grade on their games asking for help to improve their games. If they do, it's something wrong with your personality, not the little grade indicator. Furthermore, there will be indicators given for reviews, articles, tutorials, and good and bad posts. You will be judged. And anyone who two brain cells that connect will use these scores to judge you. If you post about your theories of game design, people will look at your overall game score to see if what you say has salt behind it, or if you're just spouting off dreamy nonsense that's impossible to actually add to a game.

If you're uneasy about that, sorry. But all of you keep bringing up stupid, easily avoidable flaws. Like the reviews. If someone tries to give your game an F, and he doesn't have a very well thought review why, then it won't be accepted on CP, same with A rating reviews. And this has happened, and will contuine to happen, anyway. Once again, please understand that this new system is designed to help everyone become better at everything game design related that they do. If you think twice before you post in a thread, a new game, a review, etc, then I'll be happy, because that's exactly what this system is meant to do. Make you THINK.

Hunter Green · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:46 am Post subject:

I still think that grading posts is a bad idea, on the grounds that adding a "rate this post" dialog box to every post would clutter the hell out of the boards.
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Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747

I still think the awards/trophy system should be implemented (but hasn't on acount of either laziness or outright lack of time to do it), on the basis that it is a much broader evaluation of our member's ACHIEVEMENTS rather than who they are or how good of Game designers they may be.

Case in point: FFH gets a rave review by two people (one of which was taken down when we changed servers) and an incredibly bad review which drags it down. It stands at a C or so. Might I also point out that it has occupied the #1 download slot on these forums for almost an entire year now, notwithstanding that the grand total of ALL downloads of my games stands at approximately 3915. Were it that people had associated quality with a mere letter grade, it would NOT have that position. All in all, yes it's a popularity contest, but who are you going to believe? A letter grade? Or nearly 4000 people?

Yes, I'm aware that some of those hits are repeat downloads for updated versions. Then explain Timestream Saga 1, which has comfortably sat in the #5 download position.

So what does this have to do with user ratings? Simple, it DOESN'T. One person's opinion of you does NOT make you any less or any more than who you are. Another Example: Someone would give an F- to me. Someone else would give an A+. Who do you trust, the A, or the F? If you have to rely on somebody else's opinion to judge someone, or if you can't hold your own opinion and just go along with what everyone else says, then it only proves you're a SHEEP

and this is the trophy you'll be given. (This is also why the trophy system is a much more accurate reflection of a person, rather than a letter grade).

Hunter Green · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:41 am Post subject:

Fenrir, that D rating was given to you by JSH, who is the Jay SHerman of the review list. This is where the Review grading should come into play, but CN hasn't said anything yet about wether a crappy review will affect you as much as a good one.
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JSH357 · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1705

Fenrir, while it is true that your game has been the #1 download on this site for some time, you must consider the reason that this is so. Your game, as far as I know, is not available in too many places. For this reason, whenever FFH is linked to, it is always linked to the Castle Paradox archives. Additionally, your game has been advertised outside of the community, which usually results in a huge jump in downloads. Download count doesn't really mean anything; the people who were downloading the game, for the most part, knew nothing about it before the download took place(Other than the fact that it is related to Final Fantasy, and some probably assumed meanings for the 'H').

Here's some other examples of why the download basis doesn't work:
* Walthros is available on PHC's website, as well as Operation:OHR. It has only around 100 downloads from this site.
* One of my older games had about 150 downloads from my old website, and most likely several from O:OHR's gamelist, but it does not even exist on this site anymore.
* Some of the greatest OHR games out there aren't even available on this site.

I'm not trying to bash FFH's popularity or anything, I'm just trying to point out that downloads aren't the best way to measure popularity- or downloads, even.

Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747