Castle Paradox

LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 7:43 pm Post subject:

Don't make fun of my beliefs.

Anyway, I am surprised that the "Passion of Christ" has reached so many people... Yes, "Passion of Christ" is The story of Jesus Christ's passion for all of us. *Leroy Cries*
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Leroy, no one said you don't need faith. All that was said was that faith without works won't get you to heaven.

Though it is the teaching of the Catholic Church that if you live a just life, you don't need to be a Christian to go to heaven. Everyone thinks that the Catholic Church is a bunch of raving lunatics, but Catholicism is one of the more liberal/moderate of Christican churches. Take Amish, Mormonism, Quakers, Baptists, and Presbyterians, just as a few more conservative examples (there are WAY more).

This is my blatant Catholic plug... I'm Catholic. I don't agree with everything they do, but you will never find a religion that agrees exactly with everything you believe. If that was the way things were, there would be one religion for every person (which is already true to a certain degree).

Of all Christian churches, Catholicism is the most misunderstood, besides maybe the Orthodox church, but that's more misunderstood more because no one knows anything about it. The reason the Catholic Church is so slow to pick up on modernism is that it has a billion members, and everyone disagrees on what to do. Not all countries are as progressive as the U.S. and Europe are, and the Catholic Church is strongest in Europe and Central/South America. Europe is very liberal compared to South America. But if the Catholic Church acts too quickly to move with modernism, as Europe would like, they risk alienating South America, and vice versa. See, there is a rhyme and reason to everything. Please stop hating us. J/k.

By the way, we don't focus on the death more than the ressurection. If that were true, than Good Friday would be our most important holiday, and it is not by far. Easter is the most important, then Christmas, Palm Sunday, and a few more. The point of the passion was to say, "Look, this is how much he had to suffer, all for your sins," and less to point out the message. It was clearly aimed toward Christians, most of which already know Christ's message, but hearing about a whipping and seeing one in vivid detail are two entirely different things.

Anyway, wow, that was off topic.
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MultiColoredWizard · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject:

Eh, hell, it was the first post on this thread that was understandable. All the other posts were bible quotes saying unreadable stuff like "And Mary and James lay, and thus became the first night that they knew each other." I swear to god I'm going to rewrite the bible and say like "James totally got some pussy that night."

Bobby Blade · Joined: 16 Dec 2003 Posts: 17

Amazing you can understand plotscripting but you can't understand English, what are they teaching in schools nowadays.

Machu · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject:

They teach us not to make personal insults.

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The Drizzle · **Who is the Drizzle?** Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 432

When I said "everyone" I mean the majority of people. The reason I cited those churches (as is clearly visible) are Christian Churches that are more conservative than Catholicism: "...just as a few more conservative examples". Also, much less than 80% of the Western World is Catholic. Europe is a little less than half Catholic and the US is mostly protestant. Greece and Russia are mostly Orthodox (Thanks European Anthropology!).

And when I say the most misunderstood, I mean by other religions. Catholicism is very misunderstood. My point: If I said Americans were misunderstood, you could say "well, not in America," but I thought that was rather obvious.

About the Passion:
The reason the raging mobs were Jewish is that the movie takes place in (guess where) Jerusalem. The vast majority of people living their at 33 AD were Jews. I disagree that there was anti-Semitism. There were just crying/scared/confused Jews as there were angry ones. The Jews that were looked at in a bad light were mostly the Pharisees and the people who blindly followed them, especially considering that the Pharisees, especially Caiphas, were really just puppets to Pontius Pilate. If any thing, this movie should be considered Anti-Roman (or Anti-Italian), but that is about as ridiculous as saying Schindler's List is anti-German. There is a clear understanding, for the most part, that most German's didn't agree with nazism, even if that isn't shown in most WWII movies.

About Pilate: The reason he was so hesitant to prosecute Jesus in this movie is because he'd already been called back to Rome twice and warned by Tiberius that he'd lose his position if he kept being to harsh to the Jews.

About Aramaic: Doesn't it bother you in World War II, when the Nazis are speaking in English instead of German? That's the reason this movie is in Aramaic and Latin.
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The Drizzle · **Who is the Drizzle?** Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 432

Ignore this, don't flame me, I pressed submit twice without realizing it.
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I'm fine with political comics and all, but it seems that the comments written for this thread is about the movie and religious ideals, not regarding the comics at all. There were probably other threads that has gone off-topic before, but not as much as this. The immediate first few replies said nothing regarding the comics. There's no mention of the craft of the comic, there's no mention of the technicality of the comic, there's just discussions of religious ideals.

Personally, since this is an art forum, I generally expected some art-related discussions as opposed to this. If you want to continue the conversation, go ahead. I won't lock this as I don't consider this a major offense. Just be aware that this is a an art forum, not a place to banter religious discussions.

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The Drizzle · **Who is the Drizzle?** Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 432

Though I was heavily involved in the off-topic discussion, I agree. This thread went WAY off-topic. So I'll say something about the comic.

Honestly, I didn't get your opinion of the movie. Are you attempting to use the characters words in an ironic way or in a serious way? Obviously, the last one is a lesson not learned (the priest), but the other two? There's no facial expression or previous comic to give me insight to there character.
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LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:15 pm Post subject:

Was this all done in MS paint? Or what? Raspberry!

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MultiColoredWizard · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:

Eh, Booby, you totally missed the joke.

Machu · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject:

I'm done yammering, but it's healthy to have discussions like this once in a while.

Yes, it's about irony (the middle two people are pretty much filler stuff), and yes, I do this stuff with MSPaint.
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The Drizzle · **Who is the Drizzle?** Joined: 12 Nov 2003 Posts: 432

The other two just confuse the message. I got the priest bit, but the other two just don't need to be there. If anything they're confusing the message. Never ever put filler in comics. Comics usually have the bare minimum to still get the message across because of limited space and the issue seen here.
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