Castle Paradox

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[The Wobbler]

[Blazes Battles Inc.]

How is the O: OHR archive still legit? If the Operation: OHR archives had been up at (I pray to God that this isn't a real site) hotpedophilia.com, do you think the authors would approve of it being hosted there?

Anyway, because of your concern, I'll delay the posting of those (I'm waiting another day on the one's I do know the author of to make sure no one says they're up somewhere else, after which I'll ask them to either put up the game under their own profile or to allow me to get it posted under their name [I think and Admin has to do it, you know, the games that have authors in here that aren't really members in the actual list]) for a week, during which time I'll do websearches on Google and Ask.com (and anything else that seems like a good idea at the time), despite the fact I doubt I'll find anything. Those would be posted with a ??? by an Admin, assuming I could get one to do it.

I'm willing to admit that technically it's copyright infringement (though of very little severity). However, I find it hard to believe that people would mind these being put up. If they had put it up for free at their own website and no where else, then that's different (I know these were at some community site, probably Black Sun, since I didn't go to any individual person's site), but if they posted it for free on a community site so other people could download it and play it for free, it wouldn't make much sense (without extenuating circumstances) for them to care about it being put on another OHR community site where people could download and play it for free. Not that it's entirely impossible, but it's entirely unlikely. If they cared that much about it, they probably would have said so (again, I know it's not necessarily).

I guess I have somewhat conflicting opinions about this. I'm a huge proponent of outlawing programs like E-Donkey and Kazaa altogether, because they encourage copyright infringement. And if the games had been posted at (again, praying to God this isn't a real site) hotpedophilia.com, I'd be a huge proponent of them getting it off. But it just doesn't make much sense why they wouldn't want their game transferred from an extinct OHR site to the one that's currently living. If they want it taken down, it should be... but I don't think we should act about it this like it's the end of the world, like this will either cost the author money or tarnish his/her image.

So look: don't download the games if you're that upset about it. If an admin also doesn't want CP to host them because I have no way of asking for permission, then I suppose they'll do that too (Uncommon might, but I hope he'll reconsider...). The main purpose of this is to preserve games that would otherwise eventually be lost, not to disrespect an author's rights, and I wish we were focusing more on the actual goal, even if you have moral qualms about it.
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[Moogle1]

O:OHR is legit because the authors posted their own games on it, agreeing to its terms of use.

On the other hand, one could argue that all these programs are freeware anyhow and therefore freely distributable -- but this is only by implication, because unless there is an attached readme that allows distribution (and usually these have their terms), you can't really assume a right to give it away.
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[Blazes Battles Inc.]

My apologies, I didn't know Operation: OHR even had terms of use (doesn't really surprise me that I forgot it, though). It was just an example of how I really don't think we should let something be deleted just because the author didn't move it from one community site to another by his or her own hand.
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[RPGCreations]

Posting a game for free does not make it free - the creator is simply allowing people to download the game, free of charge. This does not make it public domain, freeware, or shareware, the author has to put it in those domains himself. This is much like how you can download Grand Theft Auto 2 now - it's "free", but you cannot mirror it yourself because it is Rockstar's. You will be able to download Sword of Jade for free but there will be a retail CD version. So on and so forth. If you even check the OHRRPGCE documentation, James explicity says you can sell OHR games, so they are not automatically freeware in that respect, either.

The porn site scenario you mention is not even relevant- anybody can mirror a site, but the authors still only agreed for their games to be uploaded to the specific O:OHR they uploaded to. The site in question would be in the wrong, and not only would have to remove the games but remove it's mirror of O:OHR as that is copyrighted to Cody Watts, who licensed the name to Aethereal/Moogle1.

Here's a thought - download the games. Send them to people that ask you to send them (as long as there is no restriction in a license agreement with the game). However, do not upload them to a site they did not agree to having their game at. A majority of OHRRPGCE games are not even worth mentioning, so it's no great loss. Remember the games as they were, then move on to better things.
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[Blazes Battles Inc.]

GTA 2 actually has terms of service for its download. Not arguing (I went to get off the frigging copyright subject, I'm willing to admit it's a very trivial infringement of copyright), just mentioning that it's a different scenario entirely.

Sending it to people who ask for it is virtually the same thing as putting them up here, though... in the end, it's going to come down to the CP Admins. They'd have to put the games up under ??? anyway, and if they aren't willing to do that, or if they don't want to host the games because I can't find the people for permission, then I'll only send it if someone drops me an e-mail. Or if the admins feel very strongly about this (i.e. telling me something like they'll ban me if I offer to distribute them in any way), I won't do that either. Either way, I'll wait a week while I try anything I can think of to reach the authors of either of these games, like I said before. I don't really think that either of these games (particularly Pain [just my personal opinion]) should disappear.
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[RPGCreations]

[Rolling Stone]

Fyre: Go suck a big fat cock.
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BANDIT REVOLVER, DOWNLOAD IT OR ELSE.

http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=620

[Rolling Stone]

Seriously I'm through treating you like a human being, everything that comes out of your mouth is totally stupid. I want you to literally put a wang in it.
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BANDIT REVOLVER, DOWNLOAD IT OR ELSE.

http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=620

[MultiColoredWizard]

man, you are so banned if comrade orchard-l sees this.

[Fenrir-Lunaris]

I actually agree with Fyre on this issue. The games in question are still the owner's property whether or not they are free, and EVERY effort should be made to contact the authors about it, if not to ask permission then at the very least to inform them.

Something tells me they either wouldn't care, or they'd be just fine with it, but that's not the point.

For the sake of gamelist completion however, an entry should be made for these games that no longer exist with a note saying the data has been lost. Screenshot, name entry, and short description.

[Blazes Battles Inc.]

I'm still looking for the authors. For a week. I may be able to find the author of Pain (though I doubt it)... but finding the author of Republican X looks pretty bleak right now.

This is the only site I can find that even mentions it, and it's just in a list with no website for me to go to (for that entry, that is).

On the off chance someone recognizes the graphics as being the work of a particular artist, I'm going to post some screenshots.










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Preserve OHR history! Do it for the children!

[Blazes Battles Inc.]