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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:02 am    Post subject: The importance of music Reply with quote

For me music can make or break a game. Imagine playing Ends of the Earth 2 without music, it just wouldn't be the same. I always spend a fair amount of time composing music for my games and see it as very important for the atmosphere, and when the music is well composed and catchy it just makes you feel brilliant!
The problem is on windows XP you can't listen to BAM music, for some pointless reason.
Which raises the questions, is it worth doing music for your game when most people can f***ing hear it?
and how important do you feel music is, to the overall atmosphere and/or enjoyment of the game?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ach! I just remembered about the Music section of the forum.
however, designing music is still part of "game design"....cough.... kind of.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Music actually has very little to do with game design in most games (exceptions being games like DDR or Parappa the Rapper), and you're certainly not going to create anything like those games on the OHR (especially since everyone's computers play BAMs at a different rate). The rest of that stuff about music adding atmosphere is just stating the obvious.

And also, have you checked out VDMS?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sephy, I don't know if you've played Run Run Zombie Revolution and (to a somewhat lesser extent) Blow Up or not, but both of those are pretty similar, gameplay-wise, to Dance Dance Revolution, though I don't quite remember the music for either.

And Septimus, for serious, VDMS. It enables DOS sound for Win2k and XP. But how important the music is on the design really depends on the designer. Shadowiii, for instance, is very much inspired by the music he listens to while designing the game, but other people not so much.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't played Run Run Zombie Revolution, and the music wasn't that important to the gameplay in Blow Up. I mean, it couldn't be perfectly in sync like DDR is.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VDMS, check. Thanks man.
I see what your saying about music not being essential and that, but when a games music is really good, it doubles the enjoyment of the game. Ill even look past bad graphics if there's a good track in the background.
PHC, im not sure if you have, but you should download and play Ends of the earth 2 on full volume man, the music on that is incredible.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm moving this to bamtastic but keeping the shadow here.

Also, Music has a LOT to do with games, because it creates atmosphere, and any game that has characters that travel a world and require us to care about them to succeed needs atmosphere (I guess that leaves only stuff like puzzle games).

But games that REQUIRE music (as in, game won't function without it like DDR or whatever) are the only ones that really NEED it to play. I suppose I could pay Super Metroid with the sound off, but it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any game I have ever played without sound just was not that enjoyable of an experience. I believe that games need music for atmospheric establishment. While it is true that, depending on the theme of a game, different games and their atmospheres rely more on music than others, in general, music is an essential part of a game's presentation value.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: mosik Reply with quote

i agree to the frist post but sadly, for some reson my speakers dont work. when my game demo comes out, mabey some of you guys (and girls(just dont wanna be offenseive))can help me by picking some music that would be good for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on whether the presence of music helps enhance the experience. Sometimes, silence is the best for effect. Other times, the right kind of music adds just the right touch.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:40 am    Post subject: Music is absolutely essential! Reply with quote

In my opinion, a game just isn't a game without music; and more than that, I think that the music should be original, too. This is part of a game's identity — it's a part of what someone remembers about a game. I couldn't imagine playing any games of the Final Fantasy series without listening to their beautiful soundtracks along the way. Therefore, it is my position that [even when music is not "required" for gameplay], music is essential.

Also, I completely agree with the arguments pertaining to the atmosphere of the game in terms of music. I think that music can aid in character development greatly; it helps us to sympathize with the protagonists, and to become emotionally involved in the game. When that happens, the player becomes hooked.

Edit: Sorry for reviving a month-old dead post. Neutral
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Sorry for reviving a month-old dead post.


I forgive you.

You could have done worse. You could have rvived about 50 dead threads, ignored four PMs from a moderator(even out of ignorance of his being a mod, that's no excuse) refuse to admit you were wrong, ignite a flamewar and get banned. Story of my life.

Anyway, my opinions on game design altogether go like this:

#1: Gameplay. Make the game fun.

#2: Graphics. Not really important, I just want to know what is what. I think shading is overhyped anyway.

#3: Sound/Music. Better something distorted and obnoxious than nothing. One can always turn his volume down.

#4: Storyline. Even in an RPG, I think that this is unimportant. I just want to know what I'm supposed to do, where I'm supposed to go, ect.

The thing I like about RPGs isn't storyline or graphics as with most people, but with gameplay. Dragon Warrior beats Final Fantasy in my opinion, but I like them both a lot. The NES ones were the best, as far as I care.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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#4: Storyline. Even in an RPG, I think that this is unimportant. I just want to know what I'm supposed to do, where I'm supposed to go, ect.


storyline is unimportant in an RPG? what?!

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without a storyline in an RPG (or any game for that matter), it would be one of the most boring things in the world. storyline is one of the main things that keeps me interested in a game.

gameplay is just there to keep me entertained while trying to reach the next storyline part.

music is important.. but most of the time either gets too repetitive or there is sometimes none at all. the only time i usually listen to in-game music is when i play horror games.

graphics really aren't that important to me, so long as things are recognizable then i'm peachy. my brother once decided not to play a game that was fun as hell just because the graphics were duke nukem 3d style.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Link to the Past had less story than Ocarina of Time, but it was still a better game. Your GAME is a failure if you have to rely on story to keep the player interested.
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