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Iblis Ghost Cat
Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1233 Location: Your brain
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ugh, I can't stand this nonsense. Now, you're free to think whatever you want of any other user. Think someone is a jerk? Okay. Think someone is cool? Alright. Think someone is useless? Fine. I don't care, think whatever you want. BUT: trying to make official categories out of it doesn't make any damned sense. Your opinion of someone is just your opinion. Some others may share it, but some others will not. Sorting people into groups like "newb" or "jerk" or "regular" is useless and stupid.
Seriously people, stop wasting your time on this. |
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Gizmog1 Don't Lurk In The Bushes!
Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2257 Location: Lurking In The Bushes!
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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So, in summation, A) A n00b union is a bad idea, B) N00bs and Vets are for suckers (Perhaps that should be a new distinction...bah!) and C) This thread is tired. Can we all, however, agree to give the newbies a LITTLE bit of license? I don't mean let them break rules, but if someone comes in, bragging about their Final Fantasy fangame, can we at least spare them that, and only advise them not to rip graphics? I mean, look at Fenrir, who's made a great Final Fantasy fangame. I doubt the others will do anywhere as good, but hell, they deserve a shot at least. And if they don't do a good job of it, you're free to tell them. |
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Iblis Ghost Cat
Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1233 Location: Your brain
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | Can we all, however, agree to give the newbies a LITTLE bit of license? I don't mean let them break rules, but if someone comes in, bragging about their Final Fantasy fangame, can we at least spare them that, and only advise them not to rip graphics? I mean, look at Fenrir, who's made a great Final Fantasy fangame. I doubt the others will do anywhere as good, but hell, they deserve a shot at least. And if they don't do a good job of it, you're free to tell them. |
Most definitely. We need to teach our new users that making games is what they are here to do, and that they should do that as much as possible. When a new users posts their idea for a game, we should offer advice on how to make that game work, NOT advice on whether or not to make the game. When someone asks "Should I make this game?" the answer should always be "Yes."
Making a game and failing at it is better than giving up on the idea because older members told you to. At least you learn something from failure, and you have a finished product so that people can give you a detailed analysis of what you did right and wrong.
Also, it's rather silly to criticize people for making fangames in a community where the supposed "veterans" are overwhelmingly of the opinion that gameplay and storytelling are what's really important. If that's really the case, why care if someone uses someone else's story? Let them use the idea, what we need to judge is how well they use the idea. If someone can take another's idea and do better than the original creator at it, doesn't that still deserve praise? |
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Machu Righter, a person who rights wrongs
Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Posts: 737
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2005 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | If someone can take another's idea and do better than the original creator at it, doesn't that still deserve praise? |
That's all I've been doing so far... _________________
Code: | [*]That's it
[*]I'm done reasoning with you
[*]Starting now, there's going to be a lot less conversation and a lot more killing |
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Septimus Warrior wizard garuda dwarf-chopping ocelot
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 40 Location: London
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:59 am Post subject: |
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"If someone can take another's idea and do better than the original creator at it, doesn't that still deserve praise?"
Yes but what is original? By now no one's idea's are original because somewhere down the line they've been done. What catergories of originality are there????
I say we start an Originality union!!!!!
No im just being awkward _________________ Put it in your favourites:
www.solotash-island.com |
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Sephyroth Renegade Rebel Redmage Class A Minstrel
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 644 Location: Schmocation
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Agreed. You have enlightened me to the truth that there is absolutely nothing new to be done with the world. All that is left for us to do in this weary world is to end our meaningless lives and return the world to oblivion. _________________ im realy ded |
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Moogle1 Scourge of the Seas Halloween 2006 Creativity Winner
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 3377 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Iblis makes a very good and overlooked point, though. Storytelling is more important than story. Shakespear wrote very few original plots. Disney has never done anything original (excluding Pixar's films, which I think actually are). They're still memorable, though, because of how they're presented.
And, uh, how'd the original topic drift over here? (Not complaining: this one's more interesting.) _________________
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Uncommon His legend will never die
Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 2503
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Not to say you can't try to be original, but yeah, the way a thing's presented is can entirely change what is presented. But that isn't to say you can neglect the thing presented. If someone puts garnish on a plate full of poop, it's not going to change the fact that the plate is still loaded with poop, and no one likes eating poop guys.
So I guess what I'm saying is don't present poop.
PS: Regarding the Pixar being original bit, I have a sneaking suspicion that The Incredibles was inspired by Alan Moore's Watchmen. There are a frightening number of parallels between the two. |
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Moogle1 Scourge of the Seas Halloween 2006 Creativity Winner
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 3377 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: |
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I was mostly thinking Toy Story. _________________
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Uncommon His legend will never die
Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 2503
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:16 am Post subject: |
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The Incredibles is seventy-five times better than Toy Story. :( |
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Moogle1 Scourge of the Seas Halloween 2006 Creativity Winner
Joined: 15 Jul 2004 Posts: 3377 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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I NO DAT!!1 i was just sayeeeng... _________________
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Gizmog1 Don't Lurk In The Bushes!
Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2257 Location: Lurking In The Bushes!
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Just as a note to any admins watching, I think this is a pretty good example of a time that a thread has changed it's topic for better. The original topic has been talked out, and now the conversation shifts, and there's really no need for them to spark a new topic. I'd say this is good posting, and an example for future reference. |
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Joe Man
Joined: 21 Jan 2004 Posts: 742 Location: S. Latitude 47°9', W. Longitude 123°43'
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Locked!
*looks at permissions*
...Dang, not locked. Ah, well, who cares?
The only association with Pixar Disney had was it took all of Pixar's money. Fortunately, the contract ended.
...And I still like the deathcamp idea. _________________ "Everyone has 200,000 bad drawings in them, the sooner you get them out the better."
~Charles Martin Jones
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