Castle Paradox

Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

First off, myself and the rest of the team are very flattered by the review. However, I would like to point out that Mormon Mission(http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=326) isn't against homosexuals in any way...Jsangspar really talks like that. Since you're relatively new Red, you wouldn't have know this, but I still find it hard to understand how Jsang shouting, "TWO LITERS OF FAT BLACK MAN COCK PLEASE!" would be an attack on gays, as opposed to displaying Jsang's flat out insanity. Anyway, thanks for the review.

Flamer · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:02 am Post subject:

bwahahah, i was expecting someone to point out the homosexual dialogue on the cockboat...
i was talking to giz about that scene... i thought they were... but giz said what was really happening...

heh, just shows how people can think differently of the same scene.
of course, it's great that people are enjoying the hard work we put into this game.
And to think we were only joking when we came up with this game...
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Aethereal · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:03 am Post subject:

Jsangspar> and some coke
Jsangspar> I almost typed cock again
Fortis> order pizza and a cock
Fortis> moist, refreshing cock
Jsangspar> 'I'd like an 18 inch cheese pizza and 2 litres of cock. .. I MEAN, um, do you carry penis-cola? I MEAN OH FUCK BRING DONGS UM HOW MUCH FOR CARBONATED BLACK DICKS HURRRRRRR'

Uh, yeah.
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RedMaverickZero · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 5:08 pm Post subject:

Wow, this is the first time I've ever gotten a response on a review I made. It warms my heart. Haha. Anyways, it was a good game and you three worked very hard. And it definitely does show. And as Flamer said, people interpret things a little differently than others.
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MultiColoredWizard · Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:15 pm Post subject:

Aeth wins $$$ for bringing back an old quote of funny ness.. and reminding me of how Jsang and PK used to be.

Gizmog1 · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:49 am Post subject: Pertaining to Shadowiii's review

(Wasn't sure where to post this, but IM said to post here)

Shadow I'm generally upset with your review, but let me try and explain a few of the points you made:

Firstly, the title "Mormon Mission" is a play on words. It's in reference to the fact that Moogle1 is on a Mormon Mission in Brazil, and that El Salvado is on a Mission to save the Mormon , Moogle1. It's not meant to imply that mormons shove matches into their bums, and then go fight Nazis.

Secondly, I will admit there's a lot of profanity, but it didn't offend anyone on the team making it. And, for the most part, I think a semi-robotic dictator, A dancing mercenary, and nazis would really cuss. The fact that Moogle cusses (Only once to my knowledge) when in reality he never swears is all the more indicative of how mad Jsang got him. (BTW, Jsang does talk like that from time to time) .

The music was not original, but was taken from some public domain sources of CN's finding. I'll give you that the Block minigame was a bit faulty, in that the keystroke didn't always work right, but seeing my brother play it, it took him almost a minute to finally win. At least it fit the theme of the contest.

As for the final minigame, those "Bags of something" are parachutes!

All in all, I found your review seemed biased somehow with you being (I presume) A mormon, and I feel the gameplay outweighs the swearing, and that the game deserves far better then an F+.

Flamer · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:18 am Post subject:

woah, an F+!?
and i thought the walkabout graphics (you did say it was well done) would've made the mark higher...
...i'll give you this, you didn't know moggle1 was a mormon...
this story is about madmen... what do you expect the plot to be..? traditional saving the princess from a dragon!? they're mad! they can't do anything like that...
meh, the mini-games were easy... it's so to not ruin gameplay by making them too hard. we tried not to make it too easy either...
Jsang is that type of guy that would stand out in a big party, because of his random outburst of "rude and profane" comments...

but seriously... F+!?
from your comments... i hardly find it an unbiased grade...
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(no offense to anyone that was mentioned)

Shadowiii · **It's been real.** Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460

First, I'd like to apologize for my...biased grade. I wasn't having the most wonderful day yesterday and...yeah, it crept up on my reviewing.

People say I'm taking the game too seriously, which may be true. In all honesty, the fact that it was a Mormon Mission and I'm a Mormon wasn't the concept that offeneded me, it was the overuse of profanity (I think I noted to this in my review).

If you still want it changed, I suppose you could alter my final grade to a C-, though I personally don't think it deserves thus. If you feel that I acted immaturely, took the game too seriously, and didn't "get" the inside jokes (though I did think I got most of them), feel free to delete the review. It's not a big deal.

But to state my thoughts honestly, I didn't enjoy the game at all. The profanity, though somewhat humerous, was overdone. Sure, call me a sissy, but I just didn't enjoy it and hence my review. Since I tend to grade games mostly on my enjoyment of them rather then their other points (see "Never Go West" review or Bliss), I suppose it overinfluecned it in this case. The final grade was a mis-calculation I guess, or a spontanious whim. It does deserve better for the effort put in the minigames and such, and so I apologize.

Again, I apologize to the game makers for bashing their game a bit too much.

Side thought: I didn't apologize to Eggie or RPGRealm when I gave their games an F ~~What am I, a damn CN brownnoser? Seriously.~~
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Komera · Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 711

i didn't know that moogle1 being mormon had become fact now, since when he originally vanished, the often thrown about question was "why?" when i first learned (from rinku) that he was leaving for latin america for two years, i did ask "is he a mormon?" though i wouldn't know if i was the first person to ask that (if not the first, probably one of the first). my guess was influenced largely by the night i graduated high school, where in a graduating class of about 150... i think when asked where we were going next (my answer was the art institute of phoenix... naturally)... maybe... 30 of us were NOT going on a 2 year mission trip.

i live in a mormon town, can you tell?

anyway, rinku went along with my guess, and maybe it rubbed off on other people (since i've noticed many ohrers treat his word as golden). but still... i still wasn't aware it was actually a fact. if anyone has actually known this all this time, i'll stand corrected.
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Shadowiii · **It's been real.** Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460

I PMed Chaos Nite my changes, look for them whenever he alters it.

Final comments:

Gizmog1 · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:50 pm Post subject:

Shadow, the main problem I had with your review was the F+. RMZ addressed the cussing, and thinking over it, maybe we went too far. But guess what? This cussing had NO EFFECT on the gameplay.

Look at GTA3. Gameplay wise, it's good. But plot, story and morals, are all out the window. Now, I'm not defending GTA3, and personally, even though I like it, it's not the end all be all of video games. I think that's what we have here.

Sure, the story's a bit forced, and the dialogues a bit R-Rated. Look at the gameplay. Can you honestly say those 3 minigames, and three alternate endings deserve an F+? Look at the gamelist, shadow, at other games that earned an F (Or D) +, and tell me that the cussing makes this game deserving of being lumped in with them.

Hunter Green · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:28 pm Post subject:

This practice of lowering a game's grade becuase it offended you or you don't agree with the statements it makes is the reason why Rinku's reviews are worthless too. Games should be reviewed based on some measure of quality, not wether or not they conform to your philosophy.
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Iblis · Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 11:59 pm Post subject:

Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

"This practice of lowering a game's grade becuase it offended you or you don't agree with the statements it makes is the reason why Rinku's reviews are worthless too. Games should be reviewed based on some measure of quality, not wether or not they conform to your philosophy."

huh? i'm going to call this slander unless you can point out where i judged a game on its philosophy. actually my aesthetic philosophy expressly says that one should not judge a work of art aesthetically on its metaphysical content, only on its aesthetic worth (which are two different domains).
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Hunter Green · Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 9:01 am Post subject:

First of all, it's libel. And second, didn't you dock Walthros for "Dualism and altruism"?
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