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RedMaverickZero
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 Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:29 am Post subject: Mr.Square the Copy of Mr.Triangle |
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I posted in the welcome thread about this, but upon playing the game, I have come accross some even bigger matters of my offense. First of all, as you know, Mr.Triangle, is the 2D character with one eye, and two stick legs, and he's a generic shape. Look at this picture and tell me the one that is missing from my comparision to Mr.Triangle, and Mr.Square.
The title screen, it shows Mr.Square. You change a few words in "Mr.Triangle's Shitty Adventure" and you get this. Change Triangle to Square. Still practically the same, just changed. Shitty to Crappy (less offensive) and Adventure to Quest (practically the same thing). And then this picture is the one that really makes me angry. With copying his appearance is bad enough, but this....
Mr.Triangle curses non stop. And seeing a copy of him, cursing in ways only my one eyed triangle can... That pissed me off. Comments on this? Please, discuss this.
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Battleblaze
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 10:57 am Post subject: It backfired |
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I don't think they were trying to rip your idea. I think they were amking fun of it. But since Mr. Triangle is supposed to be a shitty game the idea backfired and they ended up making a copy.
Elementary my dear Watson 
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Hunter Green
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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ZOMG I M REPORT YOU TO DA ADMINS FOR ART THEFT
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RedMaverickZero
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I talked to Phil Arts, and he said he was just a fan of Mr.Triangle and will change his game. And there was no art thievery, just, concept thievery! EDIT YOUR POST! 
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Hunter Green
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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No, because my post was and still is making fun of your reaction.
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Setu_Firestorm
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I've had people use my music without my knowledge, and it doesn't bother me in the least. I even saw a game on the gamelist whose author swore up and down was not a .hack//OHR remake, and in all honesty, I don't really care if it was or not.
What I'm saying is, I wouldn't worry about concept and idea theft until your doing this commercially. Then, It becomes a problem.
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RPGCreations
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Concept, IP, and idea theft is a problem even when no money is involved.
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Hunter Green
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Trust Fyre on this one, he's an expert in cases where no money is involved.
But seriously folks, even if RMZ was using mr triangle to sell viagra, Mr square or whatever is still different enough that he's cool by copyright law. RMZ's only legitimate option at this point is to send waves of teenage fangirls to bomb whathisname's e-mail, AIM and DA notes. So RMZ, you'd better get to work on assembleing a teenage girl fansquad or people can just walk all over you.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| RPGCreations wrote: | | Concept, IP, and idea theft is a problem even when no money is involved. |
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Whoever thought of the "idea" to create video games is obviously not the only person making them. Whoever thought of the "idea" to make a coffee shop is not the only person owning one. Whoever thought of the "idea" or "concept" to make an RPG engine is obviously not the only person who has created one.
People copy ideas left and right. When beanie babies were the thing to buy, other companies created similar products to sell, although not called beanie babies. So, how is creating a similar game with a similar title any different?
If a company created a game called "Last Legend 1", would that violate any copyright laws?
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TMC
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I read through the entire thread before I realised that this game was not an entry for the Terrible Games v1.WTF contest. Either way, it broke the rules of said contest:
| Quote: | | *You may not steal someone else's game and either change the text, stats, foes, or graphics without the original author's permission. Stealing FFH and giving it a noobie translation is fair game ONLY if you have the author's permission to do so. Contact them in whatever manner you can. |
But it does do pretty well on the parodying-without-refering-directly-by-name point, and on being generally crap.
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Phil Arts
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Im not copying mr.triangle,mr.square does act like mr.triangle thats
why I canceled it I didit join here to cause trouble I wanted to make a
decent game. I already deleated my RPG file of it just to make things
better I would be glad if it was deleated from this site. |
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RPGCreations
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| *Worthy* wrote: | | RPGCreations wrote: | | Concept, IP, and idea theft is a problem even when no money is involved. |
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. Whoever thought of the "idea" to create video games is obviously not the only person making them. Whoever thought of the "idea" to make a coffee shop is not the only person owning one. Whoever thought of the "idea" or "concept" to make an RPG engine is obviously not the only person who has created one.
People copy ideas left and right. When beanie babies were the thing to buy, other companies created similar products to sell, although not called beanie babies. So, how is creating a similar game with a similar title any different?
If a company created a game called "Last Legend 1", would that violate any copyright laws?
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So if everyone else does it, it's okay to do?
Now you're getting into the territory of patents, which is another deal altogether. But the responses here are not suprising. The good folk of CP have never had much respect for other people's properties.
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junahu
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:06 am Post subject: |
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Creative ideas aren't patented. New mechanical processes and such (physical rather than mental inventions) can be patented, but not ideas like coffee shops. (I understand though that US patents are more relaxed in definition than UK patents)
Phil arts didn't seem to be very aware of Mr Triangle when he made this so technically he won't have breached copyright. Besides, copyright only protects against actual copying (I.e. if mr square looked like a red triangle then that would be a copyright breach but it isn't, since it's a blue square).
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Shadowiii
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | So if everyone else does it, it's okay to do?
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In a legal sense, it seems so.
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*Worthy*
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| Shadowiii wrote: |
In a legal sense, it seems so. |
I agree. What are laws? Primarily, they are the will of the majority. If society as a whole accepted murder, it would not be illegal. Why is it alright for the government to execute people? Because society gives it that right.
I know this is way way way off topic, so I'll shut up now  .
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