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xuperxean2.0




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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Phantasy Star H Reply with quote

I want to port Phantasy Star II to OHRRPGCE. However, I cannot draw and I need help finding voice actors for the game. Can you help me? I will credit the people who do.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you show us what you CAN do? Not just tell us. I've never played Phantasy Star II so I don't know exactly what it is that you are trying to undertake, but I'm guessing that you will need serious plotscripting abilities. Have you done very much? Also, I'm not sure if voice acting is a good idea. If there is a lot of it, the RPG file will get quite large quite quickly, I'm guessing. This is only my personal feelings, but I've never felt that voice acting is very important to a game, and I often mute it when I play games that have it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as far as 2d rpgs are concerned, i think voiceacting, much like facesets, spoil the thing... I mean, a low-detail 2d character has the ability to trigger creativity in you, and everyone has a different take on what the hero actually is... when you give him a voice and faceset, you narrow this richness... that's my opinion on that.
Also, why do you feel it needs to be re-done over ohrrpgce?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voice acting is better for games trying to be like an anime or a movie, but people need to stop thinking it is mandatory. There was a whole thread on GameFAQs about how empty Twilight Princess felt because Link and every NPC still didn't speak more than a single word.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why port Phantasy Star II to the OHR? I mean, if we wanted to play Phantasy Star, why not just dust of our old copy? Why play a cheap imitation on the OHR? It would be more interesting if you made a fan game or something like that.

I think it would be interesting to see voice acting in an OHR game, though it would be either an extremely large RPG file or really badly compressed voice audio files. Of course, the real problem doing it over the internet would be dealing with the difference of quality that everyone could do it with.

And to hopefully not derail this thread, I'll contribute on the idea of having voice acting in a game. I believe that people have come used to having different mindsets when reading a book/story/etc. and watching a movie/play/etc. A video game tends to be in the middle of the two spectrums, lending its way to either side as necessary. I don't think its fair to say that just because a game has voice acting that it doesn't allow the players mind to "be creative," it just doesn't allow it to be done the same way.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I played phantasy star, and trust me when I say this, unless you are an elite plotscripter, you would not be able to port the game. If you use the default ohr battle engine, then it wouldn't be called a port. It would be a game where only a story line, and probably characters are the same, the battles and such wouldn't be the same.

To me, a port is just a waste of time, the only reason I would do a port is to learn how to make a game.

Just make a fan game, it would be taken better than a cheap imitation of the original.

Here is the small example of ohr battle, and PSII battle


This is from .Hack by Setu_Firestorm

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it with porting a game to the OHR and then adding an 'H' to the title?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh... Sorry. Confused
The Post was rushed and (I confess), I am a noob at this program. Oookay...
However, I know how to do all of the graphical stuff and the music and the script. I just wanted this to be like Final Fantasy H except with another classic, and I thought if I asked for help this game would start up sooner. The voice acting thing was an idea that I thought would be fun for the ogg thing but I see this was not popular enough so it might be canned.
They did this for final fantasy and almost for Dragon Quest! WHY NOT PHANTASY STAR! Pissed off!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, I'll show you what I can do as fast as I can. I just need to finish a demo map. Oookay...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Ysoft_Entertainment, thanks for the suggestion of a fan game.
I did not mean a port (I really need to learn about this stuff) I meant I wanted to make a game like Final Fantasy H. Final Fantasy H was not a port but it took advantage of ohrrpgce back then.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a) because dragon quest is a simple classic which shines with simplicity (redundant, I know)
b) dragon quest doesn't require a new battle system
c) I must confess I doubt any remake it worth it that bad, but the dragon quest clone comes up with another level I heard?
d) I'm sure you could end up coming with better ideas that feel more original. Most of the people here have played the classics. Maybe not Phantasy Star, then maybe again, this is not a classic... But I won't go into a definition of classic, and I won't impose on anyone else the fact that I think it is not a classic merely just because I didn't get to play it... who knows, I didn't play all the classics anyway
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They did this for final fantasy and almost for Dragon Quest! WHY NOT PHANTASY STAR!
Final Fantasy makes sense. Dragon Quest and Phantasy Star do not without a heavy plotscripted battle system. The Active Time Battle system OHRRPGCE uses and the rate the speed goes will break game balance without a lot of manual tweaking of speed values (remember, 10 is pitifully slow and 30 is ridiculously fast).

Why does Final Fantasy H work? Because it's Final Fantasy, which is what OHRRPGCE was based on in the first place.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe not Phantasy Star, then maybe again, this is not a classic...
What the hell? From what I know, Phantasy Star is definitely a classic Sega RPG. Popular isn't the only variable in making games classic.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya, if you follow the statement, I didn't quite make a point out of it, I merely recognized the fact I had never heard the title. Doesn't mean its not a classic... though most remade games are more than classics, they're like known even by those who dont play rpgs... FF, you cant walk the street and breathe in an post-industrial city, and be younger than 30 years old, and yet never have heard the name! (ok, maybe some women didn't hear about it, but even so, ff scored high in woman's interests right after sims and, yes, diablo II!!)
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