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Lucier · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:22 pm Post subject: walkabout sizes

for years i have been plagued by the small size of walkabouts! i know we have scripts now that can imitate having larger sprites, but will it ever be possible to offer another size of walkabout? like perhaps one that is the size of 2 tiles rather than just one, and maybe an even larger size that is 4 tiles large squared, much like the way we have enemy graphics sorted now. i want so badly to have larger walkabouts in Genesis, it's really the only thing graphically i am unhappy with. the OHR has really come a long way and truly i think one of the only things keeping it back from being the ideal rpg engine is the sprite sizes.
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ShakeyAir · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 93

i agree with this. i have yet to see an OHR game where i feel the walkabouts match up correctly with the background objects.

i started a traditional RPG awhile ago (there are pictures of it somewhere on here) and put it on hold until the walkabouts could be a bit taller. (and because i really need to take a new palette to everything, i may be a perfectionist, but i'm still lazy)

what would make me happier still is the ability to place quarters of map tiles (10x10 blocks) but that is probably grasping at straws.

but yeah, bigger walkabouts would be amazing.

Lucier · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject:

but with the knowledge that this probably won't happen.. is it possible to have both the extra frame walking script and the taller walkabout scripts going at the same time for all sprites in the game? would this take an absolute eternity to go back in to all the old scripts and add these scripts in? gosh i just want my sprites to not look like doodoo!
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Lucier · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject:

look at the difference one extra walkabout makes!
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msw188 · Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 1041

Well now that's a little unfair! You definitely took the time to give your taller girl a tan.

Is it that important to have the eyes be two pixels tall? It seems to be done that way a lot, but sometimes I think it looks a little weird. If you do end up being stuck with single walkabouts, that might give you room to shade a bit of neck maybe, I don't know.

PS: I'm goofing around mostly, I agree that having the second walkabout could vastly improve the graphical presentation of a game like yours
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Blue Pixel · Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:56 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure if "site suggestions" is the best place to put this, but eh.

In a way, i can see how this feature could be helpful, very helpful, but then again you shouldnt use 20x20 sprites as a limiting factor. I'm sure if you really work on it and think about it, you can nail it head on, I mean, look at how fantastic the rest of your game looks!

Guess it just comes down to how easy it would be for james to imply this.
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Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

This should be doable with a slice script that are placed on an X/Y offset based on NPC/hero position (assuming the walkabouts are invisible), and set a frame based on walkabout frame.

And layers shouldn't affect this either because I found that setting the slice parent to lookup slice(sl:map layer1) will still allow Layer 2 tiles to overlay slices.

I can probably try and work on making something like this people can use.
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Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

I can't seem to figure out how to upload a new game, so you guys will have to settle for a Slime Salad link: http://www.slimesalad.com/forum/viewgame.php?t=3182
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Bob the Hamster · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:33 am Post subject:

There are ways to plotscript this... but all of them seem like a heck of a lot of work.

We do have this: 'Plan for raising sprite frame limits', but that is mostly for battle sprites, so I just started writing ' Plan for bigger walkabouts' to discuss a possible implementation strategy for this at some point in the future.

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ShakeyAir · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 93

tried this out and its very, very good, but has issues when the camera is scrolling. i had made my own script that did the same thing but it was much more hack-y and did not work cleanly with NPCs, but it also had this scrolling problem.

given that, i think it must just have something to do with when the OHR handles scrolling code vs. when it handles the slice code? Probably could be worked around with a sort of offset depending on which way the camera is going, but i'm not sure i know an easy way to figure out when exactly the camera is moving and which way. (short of doing the camera manually, which wouldn't be too hard but seems like a very hacked up solution)

even so, it would be PERFECT with zelda style dungeon scrolling, and only *not quite* perfect with normal OHR scrolling.

Considering starting work on The Aftermath again, since now I feel I can get the graphic style I wanted so badly now, and I have faith that the offset problem will be fixed somehow *fairly* shortly. Thank you very much.

Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

I will address this, though try using the latest nightly. The slices are using lookup slice(sl:Map Layer1) as the parent so you'll want a version that has that feature.
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Moogle1 · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject:

James is sounding like he'll implement this for real very soon.

The problem with NP's approach (I assume) is that it's using slices, and the slices will hover over menus and overhead tiles and anything else. If James is actually going to do this anytime soon, then you're probably better off waiting for that.
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Bob the Hamster · Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject:

Yeah, your script is cool.

Still, wouldn't this be nice as a built-in feature? Then you wouldn't have to worry about having an always running script in the background (although have you tried using a 1-tick timer script instead? That might be cleaner)

Also, why is this thread in "Site Suggestions"? No wonder I couldn't find it when I was looking for it earlier :) Can somebody move it?

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