Castle Paradox

[Chaos Nyte]

Alright so here’s the deal-

Setu reviews Mr. Triangle’s Shitty Adventure 5. Here’s a link to the review. http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/review-display.php?review=82

Now as some of you don’t know, I hated RedMaverick. Hated, hated, hated. But here was Setu giving his latest game an A- and gushing about how he had grown up so much and was a much more mature person. So I figured what the hey, I’ll review it.

Here’s where the problem comes in. I played through the game, got to the final boss around the same time Setu did...and couldn’t beat him. The final boss slaughtered me folks. Annoyed but determined, I levelbusted my party for hours, actually coming to rest at 11 hours, twice the time Setu had played. And once again...the boss whipped me.

Finally I said screw it and instant messaged Red, figuring the creator of the game could lead me on the trail of whatever I had missed that was stopping me from beating the game. Well, Red and I had quite a few talks, and while it might make all of you glad to know I no longer hate him, I did find out that not even Red can beat his own game.

Which means if I can’t beat Mr. Triangle’s Shitty Adventure 5, and neither can the creator, well, how could Setu have...?

The answer is, he didn’t. I talked to him and he admits he didn’t. However, when I pointed out how his review was gushing praise for the game and gave it a A-, and how wrong it was to post a review for a game when he couldn’t beat it. He told me to calm down, that it wasn’t a big deal and that I was over reacting.

Now I’ll admit, I went pretty crazygonuts when Setu admitted he hadn’t beaten the game. Giving an A- rating to a game that’s unbeatable, and that had stolen over 5 hours of my life levelbusting that I can never get back does that to a person.

However, I still believe, and am bringing the point to all of you, that Setu’s behavior for putting this review up was unacceptable. I know that if I was in Red’s place, getting an A- rating would have me swelling with pride...finding out that the reviewer didn’t even beat the game would quickly pop my ego.

While Red’s game is quite unbeatable, I still feel that Setu should have mentioned in his review that he didn’t beat the game, which I believe he didn’t because he knew that the review would have never been posted. In my eyes, he was lying to all of you when he omitted that Mr. Triangle’s Shitty Adventure 5 was unbeatable, and which I see as something quite horrible to omit.

So now, I ask all of you, what should I do? Because what I want to do is take down Setu’s review, which is clearly biased (10/10 Enjoyment? I bet that wouldn’t be true if Setu had levelbusted enough to actually beat the game...) And severely warn Setu. Setu wants me to, well, here, you read it the part of the PM he sent me-

“Don't stress yourself over little things, Andy. Mr. Triangle is just a game. CP and OHR are just hobbies. We're here to have fun, man. I got to the final battle which was far enough to give a reasonable evaluation of the overall game.”

Maybe I should calm down. However, for me, CP and OHR are NOT just hobbies. They are stepping stones to becoming a professional, and thus, should be handled with professional care. And that does not include lying about not finishing a game and giving it a great review. If I wanted, or any of you wanted reviews that lie about your game, I can assure I wouldn’t feel this was such a big deal. So now I’m asking all of you...what should be done, in this case and in future cases?

[Fenrir-Lunaris]

Remove the review until such time as RMZ can update his gamelisting with those expansions and additional quests to it, then have Setu play through it again to grab everything new, which will place him in a position to better defeat the last boss and THEN see the ending and review it to it's entirety.

OR... add an Edit review feature.

Though considering RMZ added in a boss that's supposedly stronger than the final boss... (snicker)

[Iblis]

I definitely agree with you. Posting a review of a game without beating the game (and not mentioning that bit of information) is really not cool. I don't think you should delete the review though. Maybe just put an addendum at the end and add the omitted information.

Also, I'd say that if you can't beat you own game it seems like you'd want to edit the last boss.
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[Gizmog1]

. I think the review should definitely be taken down, and Setu warned. You might even check his other reviews to see if this is something he's done before. I personally would be very upset to get a perfect 10 game, only to find out that I can't beat it.

[Me]

I concur. Take the review down, as it is misleading and incomplete.
Now, for future cases, there will be no real way of telling if someone has actually played a game short of the creator adding in a secret code that tells them they've beaten the game. Which is, of course, entirely up to the creator to add in. Other than that, I think we'll have to stay on the honor system for this one. Most people, I think, will play through an entire game before reviewing it. Most of those who don't are apparent, as their reviews are obviously of lower quality. Setu's case is a special one.
And get that review editing enabled! That would make these problems way easier to remedy once they appear.
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[Minnek]

Heh. So he didn't beat the last boss? *shrugs* Big deal. Would you have preferred he cheated to beat him, perhaps? I know I've heard a few times about people cheating or something to beat a game so they could review it. Isn't that the same thing you're trying to argue about, since whoever it was who cheated and reviewed didn't actually play fairly through in the entirety?

It was wrong not to say anything about it, yes, but it shouldn't be taken down. That's my opinion.
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[jabbercat]

there is nothing wronge with cheating if its to fully enhance the experence of the said game!i think that mabey Setu should retry MTCA5 , complete it and then edit the review.
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[Chaos Nyte]

Minnek, finishing a game by cheating for review isn't acceptable either. I have never accepted a review for Castle Paradox where the author cheated to beat the game, unless the game was unbeatable otherwise, in which case, the reviewer always noted this. In Setu's case, he didn't make a note of this even though he could have, and by not beating the game, I feel he rather unfairly gave the game a very high review grade.

And Minnek, how would you feel if your two games, which both earned low scores, were given low scores not because your game was bad, but because the reviewer simply got bored and never finished the game? On the same measure, wouldn't you feel cheated if your game was rated too high because the reviewer couldn't be bothered to finish the game, or even note this in his review?

And if you can point out any reviews on Castle Paradox where the reviewer cheated and beat a game simply so he could save time in the reviewing process, by all means, point it out to me, so I can contact the reviewer writer about it.

[Minnek]

I'm sorry, twas my mistake. I didn't realize you didn't accept those. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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[Shadowiii]

This is an issue...simply because it is easy to go online and write a review for a game you've "kinda" played.

Example:

I never actually beat Ecopia (wait! read on!) at the time I was first considering writing a review. The temptation is great to just go on and review it with what you know so far. Luckily, I actually did get the file again and beat it.

Another problem is reviewing games you've played, but a long time ago. If I went and reviewed EOTE without replaying-it, I'd probably get a few things inaccurate.

So what is the point? Having a lot of reviews isn't heaven. PLAY AND BEAT THE GAME.

Oh a side note, I think the reason no one has reviewed Powerstick Man besides me is only 4 or 5 people have beaten it since its release... That game is really long.
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[JSH357]

Well, I have two issues here.
Firstly, who the FUCK releases a game without playtesting? Especially the final boss! If you can't beat the final boss, it ruins the entire game in a way. That problem alone should make the A- scoring invalid. If a game cannot be finished, player empathy goes down the tubes in the extreme sense.
Another issue is with reviewer not finishing games. Let me just say: there are some games that aren't worth finishing, or aren't worth your time to finish, and this usually becomes apparent pretty early on in OHR games. For example, I could have prayed for evasion and leveled up in that GTA game I reviewed, but why? It wouldn't have given me any satisfaction whatsoever, so I doubt that ANY player would get any satisfaction. If a game is unbeatable or not worth beating, it can still be reviewed, but the review should definitely take major points away because of that.
Peace out.

[planethunter]

I think one shouldn't be so harsh on setu, he probably played through the game as far a the last boss, lost and thought, bah i'll write up the review anyway, it's still a good game. I know what he did was wrong but I still don't think one glitchy boss battle should determine the grade of an entire game. Also, I think Setu probaly gave the game an a- in contrast to Rmz other games, which were, let's face it, as the title suggested quite sh!++y.
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[madhatter]

I think that Setu's review should edited to note that he didn't beat the final boss. A final boss most likely isn't going to have a major impact on a game's review.

[jabbercat]

but the ending scene may give or take points from the overall game, maby so , maby not so

[Grandtrain]

It would be nice if Setu mentioned that he couldn't beat the last boss, but I don't think it's that big of a deal. The quality of a game is not determined by the last five minutes.