Castle Paradox

[Eggie]

You know the classic element stuff in Final Fantasys?

Fire-Ice-Bolt-Earth-Wind-Water-Poison-Holy

Well, I was thinking, maybe I could mess it up a bit...

Heat-Cold-Bolt-Nature-Matrix-Lunar-Matter-Holy

Matrix represents weird specials, like 100110 and _-. It kind of goes with the computer type ways.

Lunar represents space attacks, and basically furry attacks.

Nature is basicallt Earth.

Now, let's get a little bit... naughty.

Musical Elements!

Hip-Hop (Being Holy), Rap (Being Moderately Holy), Punk (Being Moderately Evil), and Death Metal (Being Evil). Get it? Punk, Metal, and Rock 'n' Roll are evil, while Hip-Hop, Rap, and Pop are Holy. Soft Rock and Pop are neutral.

I really like the Music elements, or Muzik elements (Spicen up the literature.). It's a break from the regular elements, plus it fits my upcoming release of Supernaturalstikkhiphopmuzik! , which is better than Urban Fantasy.

[Iblis]

I would say I admired the effort, if it looked like you put any effort into this.

[JSH357]

You realize that you're just taking the exact same system and changing
names around- not being original- right?

Final Fantasy's Element system is ok. It would be a lot cooler if
every element affected every other element in a totally different
way, though.

So instead of:
X > Y > U > P > L > X D <--> H

It would be:


>P->X __
| / \ \
\-Z - Y<-F

.. Or something like that.

In that example, X-Y-Z are neutral to one another, F beats Y and is
neutral with X, Z beats P, and P beats X.

Obviously, that's unbalanced. I made it under a minute though.

Here's an example from the game I'm working on now:
(The V is a down arrow)

v----------\
S -> A -> L/
^ | C
|---\v >H<-G
P--------->D-----/

I'll explain it.

S beats A. A beats L and D. L beats S. P beats D.
D beats H and S. G beats H. C is neutral to all, and any two
elements not connected are neutral.

It seems like a crazy system if you have Final Fantasy shoved down
your throat, but it's actually fairly interesting.


.. Okay, that was probably unecessary. :p

Edit: Rrgh, fricking spacing errors. Live with it.

[Uncommon]

Eggie... Don't mess with Rock. It's so much better than your sucky rap and hip-hop (soft rock and pop are neutral?! ugh...).

Seriosuly, though, in Magnus 17, I had different system. Steel, Gravity, Nature, Mental, Stone, Poison, Shadow, and Light. Not all of them are so original/revolutionary, but hey, I tried. At least I didn't just do the same thing with a different name...

[Me]

I've been thinking about using Earth, Heaven, Light, and Dark as my elementals (the other four the OHR gives me are for extra gimmicks). Heaven and Earth oppose each other, as do Light and Dark. This is based sort of on the D&D two-axis alignment system, where something can be earth and light, like a forest, or earth and dark, like a swamp, or heavenly dark, or earthly neutral, or heavenly light . . . you get the picture. Since everything is an elemental of some sort, you should be able to use the bitsets at all times. Plus, I plan on incorporating the standard earth-air-fire-water thing as well, just in a more subtle way (mainly with stat bonuses when in certain areas).
One thing I just thought of: in the FFs, the "Bomb" enemies are always healed by fire. Why is that? A BOMB would EXPLODE if hit by fire.
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[Setu_Firestorm]

[Shadowiii]

Stop only has two elements: White and Shadow. Considering there aren't really set elements anyway (besides the peroidic table), the effect was to better represent Good and Evil (Stop has many underlying religious themes). However, the Good and Evil idea can also be swapped, because there is no pure evil (save Satan) no pure good (save Christ). Since nothing in Stop is pure of any of these elements, there will be good Shadow-born and evil White.

But, yeah, I hate the elements. Considering 99% of the time it is a "Paper, Scissors, Rock" system, it is best to just drop it all together.
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[xaero]

Rap? Holy?
How the hell is "F*ck nigger bro, f*uck people, and i got raped by my daddy" holy?
Rap is not close to holy to is full of unesesscary swearing,
and rock probably would be unholy but it still would kick rap's puny ass any day!
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[Me]

How on earth did this become a debate on whether or not rap is holy? Honestly, people, everyone is entitled to their opinions on music, and it's rather impolite to tell them they suck because you don't like that genre. I don't like most rap myself, but I'm not going to yell at Eggie for it. Christ.
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[Catfish]

[Iblis]

[JSH357]

Actually, intransic relationships like rock-paper-scissors are
brilliant. The only problem is that when you add a fourth element
you have have to make sure that all relationships are accounted for.

Otherwise, you'll have way too many elements that are neutral to one
another, which is bad. It's ok to have standoffs, but not for every
relationship besides the weakness/strength.

RPS is like this:
1->2->3->1
Three relationships

And if you have four elements, it needs to be like this:

1->2->3->4->1
1?-?3
2?-?4
Six relationships

When you add a fifth element, it starts getting a lot more complex.
(Ten relationship.)


The formula to get the number of relationships in an intransic web is:
x = number of elements.
(x-1) + (x-2) + (x-3) ... until you get to 0.
In case you cared.


And that's not all! You can also have an element relate to itSELF.
(If you do that, then you can just add x to the above equation.)

Now, if you use all eight elements available with the OHRRPGCE, that's
28 or 36 relationships.
(That's excluding enemy types, which actually change things a lot...)

Most people are too lazy to design a system with that many
relationships. It's not to say that x>y>z>u>i>o>p>x i<>l has no merit,
it's just so overdone.

[T-Master]

[DemocraticAnarchist]

If elements are used properly, they are interesting. But if just used as in Final Fantasy, they are slightly useless and maybe unnessecary. And changing their names isnt re-inventing the wheel, ith the same system.

Oh, and eggie, would you so awfully mind changing your avatar? It should be a representation of some part of you/your personality, but shouldnt be used to voice idiotic baseless opinions.

Sorry, off topic ^_^
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[Iblis]