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Shadowiii
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 Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 9:54 am Post subject: Gamelist/Review/Top 5 Rated Errors |
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First, let me focus on the "Average Grade" type thing. First, how does rounding work? I remember after I wrote my Purgatory review and what-his-face wrote his Time Flies review, the top five list was messed up (the reviews pushed both these games to "A" rank and messed up something?). Well, they are both back down to A- now. However, I'm still worried that the rounding is off. Example:
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=7
This game has one review, and it is a B+. However, its average grade is A-. Other single review games seem to be just fine, but this one seems to have...something messed up, so I am seeing if there is a flaw in the system or something.
Also, if you direct your attention here: http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=96
What I found interesting is this game has two B+ reviews and one B review, yet the game's overall grade is just a B. If we honestly took an "average", it would definatly be a B+.
What I noticed, however, is that these reviews are all old. It is only the recent reviews that seem to be a bit wacky (ie the Purgatory, Time Flies, and Adventures of Bill reviews)
Here are some more examples of messed up gamelist reviews.
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=218
RMZ's Grade: C Average Grade: C+
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=418
Aetheral's Grade: F+ Average Grade: D-
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=383
Picto's Grade: C- Average Grade: C
I'm guessing there are more, but I'm only sifting thruogh the five most recent. I'm guessing something is wacky with Purgatory and TF's average grade as well.
Which brings me to the next subject of interest, the top reviewed list.
It currently stands as such:
1) A+
Trailblazers by Retrogamer
2) A-
ARFENHOUSE!!!1 #!!!!!!! by Misteroo
Time Flies by Fortis
Purgatory100% by Friend
Walthros by PHC
If I remember correctly, the list is sorted in terms of alphabetial order. However, after the Time Flies and Purgatory incident (where they FLEW to the top and messed it all up with an A grade), it seems that this is no longer the case. Is this based off of total number of reviews? If so, that seems a bit unfair. There are lots of A- games.
Adventures of Bill, Adventures of Hoshima, Arfenhouse, Memoria, Monteury Penguin, Pitch Black, Purgatory, Query 2, Time Flies, Walthros, and Wingedmene.
I know there are only a top five, and this method of sorting seems...somewhat "fairer" (ie you got more reviews must mean more people were impressed by your game and wrote a review). It just seems a little...off. Espeically in combination with those messed up average scores.
Yeah, that's my rant. Now tell me what's going on here.   
Edit: Some other grades I'll whine about
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=244
Two A+ Reviews, one B- review, and the average is B (which is only one above B-). If there was only one A+ and one B- review, its average would technically be a B+ or A- (as that is what is in the middle of A+ and B-). HOwever, there are TWO A+ reviews, and it is still at B. Why is this?
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/reviewlist.php
Two C+, a D, and an A+ review (remember, Fenrir's review is an authors review and technically shouldn't be graded in). Shouldn't this be a C+? Is it grading UP this time instaed of down? (/me runs screaming in confusion)
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=400
Another exampel of a D review but a D+ average.
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=326
An A, C-, and F+. How is that a C average?
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=82
This game has no review, yet if you scroll down and find it on the review list, it says it has a "B" grade.
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=401
D- Review, D game (the trend goes on and on...)
(yes, I actually did scroll down through that entire review list and pick out the stuff that looked funky).
On a side note, I remember IM mentioning in another thread how exactly average grades are decided (it has to do with points if I remember correctly). I'm just saying it seems his system has gone outta wack.
Add-on part 2:
To prove I didn't forget about that thread...
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1579
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Inferior Minion
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| Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Gamelist/Review/Top 5 Rated Errors |
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| Shadowiii wrote: | | First, let me focus on the "Average Grade" type thing. First, how does rounding work? I remember after I wrote my Purgatory review and what-his-face wrote his Time Flies review, the top five list was messed up (the reviews pushed both these games to "A" rank and messed up something?). Well, they are both back down to A- now. |
Yes...those two reviews were added in the middle of my Average Grading upgrade...so they weren't given an average grade at all and were put at the top with no letter assignment
| Shadowiii wrote: | However, I'm still worried that the rounding is off. Example:
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=7
This game has one review, and it is a B+. However, its average grade is A-. Other single review games seem to be just fine, but this one seems to have...something messed up, so I am seeing if there is a flaw in the system or something. |
A glitch in my coding accounted for that....missing ('s and whatnot 
Common to both rounding schemes:
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F- = 0
F = 1
F+ = 2
D- = 3
D = 4
D+ = 5
C- = 6
C = 7
C+ = 8
B- = 9
B = 10
B+ = 11
A- = 12
A = 13
A+ = 14
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Old rounding scheme:
Sum up all grades, then divide by the number of reviews.
For example with the B+, B+, B:
B+ = 11 , B =10
11*2 + 10 = 32
32 / 3 = 10 2/3
Due to integer division, the 2/3 gets truncated and you're left with an average grade of 10, or B.
I had a glitch in my code, but here's how the new average grade is calculated:
All grades are summed up just like before, however, before dividing by the number of reviews, I divide num reviews in half and add it to the total score.
In essence I'm adding .5 to the score to round up. Using the same example:
Total grade sum = 32 (see above)
Total reviews = 3 (again, see above)
3 / 2 = 1.5 => 1 due to truncation
32 + 1 = 33
33 / 3 = 11
You will now be left with an overall score of B+ instead of B.
| Shadowiii wrote: | Which brings me to the next subject of interest, the top reviewed list.
It currently stands as such:
1) A+
Trailblazers by Retrogamer
2) A-
ARFENHOUSE!!!1 #!!!!!!! by Misteroo
Time Flies by Fortis
Purgatory100% by Friend
Walthros by PHC
If I remember correctly, the list is sorted in terms of alphabetial order. |
Actually, no...the top 5 is sorted first by Average Grade, then by number of reviews, then by name (I had descending when it should be ascending...I fixed that which put Purgatory above Time Flies).
| Shadowiii wrote: | However, after the Time Flies and Purgatory incident (where they FLEW to the top and messed it all up with an A grade), it seems that this is no longer the case. Is this based off of total number of reviews? If so, that seems a bit unfair. There are lots of A- games.
Adventures of Bill, Adventures of Hoshima, Arfenhouse, Memoria, Monteury Penguin, Pitch Black, Purgatory, Query 2, Time Flies, Walthros, and Wingedmene.
I know there are only a top five, and this method of sorting seems...somewhat "fairer" (ie you got more reviews must mean more people were impressed by your game and wrote a review). It just seems a little...off. Espeically in combination with those messed up average scores. |
My reasoning was pretty similar....you have more reviews yet still maintained the . 1 person reviewing a game and giving it an A- isn't as impressive as 6 people reviewing the same game and it still maintaining an A-
| Shadowiii wrote: | Yeah, that's my rant. Now tell me what's going on here.
Edit: Some other grades I'll whine about
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=244
Two A+ Reviews, one B- review, and the average is B (which is only one above B-). If there was only one A+ and one B- review, its average would technically be a B+ or A- (as that is what is in the middle of A+ and B-). HOwever, there are TWO A+ reviews, and it is still at B. Why is this?
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/reviewlist.php
Two C+, a D, and an A+ review (remember, Fenrir's review is an authors review and technically shouldn't be graded in). Shouldn't this be a C+? Is it grading UP this time instaed of down? (/me runs screaming in confusion)
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=400
Another exampel of a D review but a D+ average.
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=326
An A, C-, and F+. How is that a C average?
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=82
This game has no review, yet if you scroll down and find it on the review list, it says it has a "B" grade.
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/gamelist-display.php?game=401
D- Review, D game (the trend goes on and on...)
(yes, I actually did scroll down through that entire review list and pick out the stuff that looked funky).
On a side note, I remember IM mentioning in another thread how exactly average grades are decided (it has to do with points if I remember correctly). I'm just saying it seems his system has gone outta wack.
Add-on part 2:
To prove I didn't forget about that thread...
http://www.castleparadox.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1579 |
Yep...I made a similar post there...but I'd like to point out that I haven't gone through every review and "editing" it so the games get updated correctly. When the game gets another review, the average grade will be calculated again. Right now, all old games have the old average grade, new reviews will recalculate the grade.
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