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The Wobbler

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 2221
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject: Posting in honor of one who cannot |
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Iblis Ghost Cat

Joined: 26 May 2003 Posts: 1233 Location: Your brain
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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From Common Sense:
Quote: | Bans have become a far too frequent ultimatum dealt out too quickly given the offense. |
Yeah bans suck SO LET'S BAN PEOPLE.
The people in the list of past and potential bans (MCW, PHC, Hunter) are some of the people whose posts I most enjoy reading. Being smart enough to point out when someone else is an idiot doesn't make someone bad. _________________ Locked
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Gizmog1 Don't Lurk In The Bushes!

Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2257 Location: Lurking In The Bushes!
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I've got to say, this gets weirder and weirder every day. What'd MCW do?! He didn't make games!? Look at Red Mage, for god's sake! He's been warned a few times to quit monkeying around in threads, and quit being stupid. He hasn't made any games yet! And yet, MCW, who's been around longer, and has done more, and is a fun guy to talk to does, as far as I can tell, one of the few reasons he was banned was that his signature was identical to the one I have here. I don't know, didn't freedom of speech used to be guaranteed by the constitution? Since when is it a bannable crime to criticize the way things are run? Hell, if it was, I'd have been on the boat out long ago. I do not like this new world order, and the way vets are being banned for seemingly nitpicky offenses, whilst newbies (And newb-elite Fyre) go about getting away with murder. Sure, CN was out of control. But things are out of control now too. What say we hold off on the bannings for awhile, and start publically discussing these new rules, and bannings? |
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Shadowiii It's been real.

Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Setu asked IM before the ban was put in place. IM was on AIM at the time, if I recall (at least, that's what I heard over IRC when Setu made the ban).
Also, upon reading MCW's livejournal, he's been provoking Setu on purpose to try to get himself banned. This is intentional malitious behavior, which is trolling, which is why I feel like that ban was logical.
I can understand the reason for the ban. I too get fed up when people, especially older members, decide to just troll around. Look at MCW's recent posts, have they been constructive or destructive? Granted, I'm all for honest truth and the like, but you really should consider saying something nice SOME of the time. Most of MCW's recent posts have been made to stir up trouble (like Fyrewulff's a while back). As much as I enjoy his, Hunter's, and Tim's humor on the boards (I enjoy it quite a bit, actually, more then you might imagine), you really should consider laying off at least every once in a while. I mean, Tim isn't that bad, Hunter post's art, but what has MCW done recently? Granted, I don't think it's ban worthy, but he most definatly isn't innocent.
I don't think he deserves a permaban, but honestly MCW, we know you like being immature and showing it, but you could at least try to respect these boards and other people. I also know you didn't take Setu's ban as anything, but it really was to be a warning. You've been asked before to straighten up, and you haven't.
The real reason this came up, I'm guessing, is the fact that Redmage WASN'T banned when he should've never been allowed back. I mean, what the hell. Also, though I have my dislikes with O-L, at least he's fricking taking some initiative. CN's been scared into a corner by IM, Aeth and Uncy are gone, so it leaves no one with guts enough to ban someone (I think I pointed this out on my "common sense" thread reply).
Regarding PHC/Hunter/etc. First off, the fact that PHC's entry was removed from the fanart contest really pisses me off quite a bit. Secondly, I see no reason to ban PHC or Hunter, as they are both contributing at least to some degree to the community. Even if people make crappy games, as long as they are trying to improve (both socially in the forums and in gamemaking), we should give them a chance. Redmage wouldn't conform. Neither has MCW recently. I'm not sayign I want you to be mindless zombies, just please try to treat others like actual human beings.
There's my rant. I'd urge members (especially "vets") to really consider the issues before just picking sides. Granted, it is an internet message board, but it seems recently people want to take it seriously yet not take it seriously at the same time, which isn't working very well.
My solution is to unban MCW, but warn him regarding why he was banned. We do have the "three strikes" rule. Also, people like Redmage need to be gotten out before they cause the disturbance they did. That honestly was very frustrating and very annoying. _________________ But enough talk, have at you! |
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Zombie Hunter Green Keeps on picking the Rayon Launcher

Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 191
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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I was under the impression that people like Redmage were who IM was trying to protect under the "revolution". |
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Fenrir-Lunaris WUT

Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Actually he wasn't. There was some discussion on what to do with RedMage considering his errant behaviour (specifically a second, longer ban), but he left of his own accord before any action could be taken. They missed out on an opportunity to reclaim some legitimacy in some people's eyes. Not that it would have helped - at this point there's too many people who are just so biased against them that they can't see the good that IM, Orchard, and the rest are trying to do. An illustration, if you will:
ChaosNyte posts something. ANYTHING. Certain persons immediately reply with comments specifically designed to counter anything and everything he says, regardless of what they are. The effect is that CN can't do anything without having someone come in and try to start a fight.
In light of the events of the last month, now when Inferior Minion does something (or is assumed to), ANYTHING, certain persons immediately jump on his case, accusing him of favoritism or spread baseless rumors that have no grounds in reality. The effect is that IM now can't do squat without someone jumping in and starting a fight.
Sound familiar? It should. Because from where I'm standing, it looks like a lot of people have become the very thing they hate, or rather, become the person they hate. |
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Setu_Firestorm Music Composer

Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 2566 Location: Holiday. FL
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I knew MCW was trying to get himself banned when he was harassing me, and that in itself is trolling, which was what earned him exactly what he wanted.
Personally, I would have thought that a permaban on him was a little over the top, but face it, he hasn't been showing any signs of wanting to behave. And I only see one game on the gamelist with MCW's name on it, and there isn't even a ZIP file, so what HAS he contributed gamewise?
A major reason that I haven't had problems with PHC or Hunter is because they haven't started problems like MCW did. _________________
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/georgerpowell
Newgrounds: http://setu-firestorm.newgrounds.com |
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Me HI.

Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Posts: 870 Location: MY CUSTOM TITLE CAME BACK
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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I've worked with Wiz on two games, one for the Do More with Less contest and one for the 528 hour contest (that'd be Deer Hunter Xtreme). I don't know what happened to Silver Eclipse, it's been "in production" for a while. He's also supposedly directing and arting for a Castlevania sidescroller for OHR with a group of other people (I think Worthy's scripting it).
Also, I've really never been able to see where Wiz "stirs up trouble." Maybe I'm a weirdo, but nothing he does really ever seems that bad at all to me. _________________ UP DOWN UP DOWN LEFT LEFT RIGHT RIGHT A B START |
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Uncommon His legend will never die

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 2503
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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Wiz also made a 48-hour game with Aethereal, OHR Arena. |
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Shadowiii It's been real.

Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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For the record, I'm not saying I don't like MCW, but I am saying that he is definatly not totally innocent (there, I summed up my fatty post before).
Regarding Fenrir's post, it's what has been annoying me all along. People who have unresolved biases are now exploting them. Like you said about the majority of CN's posts. Like most of the discussion on cp-games boards revolves around. It's people that refuse to forgive and forget. Then again, if we are striving for a more "mature" community, we should probably give up, because it isn't going to happen. Even with IM's structural improvements, it won't stop certain members from being jackasses all the time.
Ah well. I still don't know why MCW was banned, while Redmage was allowed to roam free for so long. _________________ But enough talk, have at you! |
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Squall is fantastic

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 Location: Nampa, Idaho
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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PHC - RedMage abusing members over AIM has nothing to do with CP. What would banning him from CP do to help that?
Iblis - You're essentially calling IM a hypocrite. But in IM's post that you quoted, he also mentioned that he wanted more chivalry in the forums.
Giz - I hate it when people bring up freedom of speech in reguards to this message board. I hope you know that quite a bit of people on these boards don't even live in the USA. Even if they did, this isn't a country. It's a website, and if one of the owners is being abused by a member, they have every right in the world to carry out action.
Minnek seems to believe that PHC and Hunter are being banned, but neither of these two actually pick fights with admins. I'm just looking through a few of MCW's recent posts and noticing how many are negative. I'm not saying that you have to be a complete yes man, but people who simply slam other people consistantly are trolls.
Another point to bring up; does MCW even want to come back? He spends a lot of time complaining about CP on CP and complaining about CP on Aeth's forum and complaining about CP on his LJ that I don't really see why he should be complaining about being banned. Either way, this is between the ops and MCW. We don't make decisions on a whim any more, and, believe it or not, we actually discussed this ban.
When running a message board, you cannot please everyone, but we try to chose the path that pleases the most people. And it doesn't matter how loud you are, or how long you've been here.
And finally, a quote from MCW himself taken a week or two before he was banned...
Quote: | Oh, and I'm not going to knock it off. Feel free to ban me any time.
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_________________ You got film in my video game!
You got video game in my film! |
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Gizmog1 Don't Lurk In The Bushes!

Joined: 05 Mar 2003 Posts: 2257 Location: Lurking In The Bushes!
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm fully aware this is private property, and he has the right to run it however he wants. But, I am allowed to dislike it. Anyone care to read what Orchy sent me? It's hardly the "Fair New System" we were promised, and definitely not up to IM's usual standards of punishments. Yes, I think that'd be nice. Let's hear from our good pal, Orchard-L:
Quote: | This is your first warning. 2 more and you're permanently banned until the new CP is out. I take personal offense to the sig you're using. If you think you can just walk all over the mods/admins with the excuse of "free speech," I'm sorry, but you're sorely mistaken. Once again I repeat this: though CP caters free service to OHR users, it is not a property of the community. It's IM's private site; therefore, your claim of free speech is a PRIVILEGE NOT A RIGHT. This is not a notice for a negotiation. Your reply will be ignored. ZERO-TOLERANCE. |
I am not, for note, changing my signature, and, for reference, have little care for what Orchy finds personally offensive. |
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The Wobbler

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Posts: 2221
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Squall is fantastic

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 Location: Nampa, Idaho
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I don't see how you can call something that blatantly bashes indivuduals and implies bashing a religion as "harmless". I hate people who get offended at every little detail as much as the next guy, but I also hate when people are completly insensitive of other people. After so much blatant racism in #cp and religious discrimination in various OHR games, even though it's meant as a joke, one starts to get irritated. You can't expect to keep pushing people like this and not get anything in return. Think next time you say things so callously. _________________ You got film in my video game!
You got video game in my film! |
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The Wobbler

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