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RedMaverickZero
Three pointed, red disaster!
Halloween 2006 Creativity Winner
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Halloween Quest 2 Review |
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First of all, this is a public congradulation to Fenrir, for completing Halloween Quest 2. Not many people I know have done this. And the review was very very helpful. I am actually considering updating the current file a tad bit more to fix those aspects of the game, specifically gameplay. Based off the content of the review and the scores the game recieved, I am left to question why exactly it got an A-... Shouldn't it be lower?
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Fenrir-Lunaris
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| Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Mostly to prove the letter grade is based off a number of things not covered by other categories, specifically ingenuity, time spent, effort, and most of all a dedication to see a project through. Any game that actually gets completed in the community should get a bonus, just for completion. |
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Chaos Nyte
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Joined: 03 Jan 2003
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Location: Hirakata
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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"...time spent, effort, and most of all a dedication to see a project through. Any game that actually gets completed in the community should get a bonus, just for completion."
These are TERRIBLE reasons to give a game a boost in score. While I agree that Red did work very hard on HQ2, the fact of the matter is that reviewer's need to base their scores on the material presented, otherwise you're screwing over anyone who reads your review and downloads the game based on its final score. And they won't care about how hard Red worked, they care about whether it's a good game or not, and your score needs to reflect that.
Sheesh, by your logic, I should hand out A+'s to people who ditch work and school to complete their OHR projects, even if they're games suck. |
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The Wobbler
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Fenrir-Lunaris
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Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaos Nyte wrote: | These are TERRIBLE reasons to give a game a boost in score. While I agree that Red did work very hard on HQ2, the fact of the matter is that reviewer's need to base their scores on the material presented, otherwise you're screwing over anyone who reads your review and downloads the game based on its final score. And they won't care about how hard Red worked, they care about whether it's a good game or not, and your score needs to reflect that.
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The point behind why the grade was as high as it was is that the combined experience out of the game was more than the sum of its parts. The game has more actual content than many of the games released on the list, and I'm not just talking about all the newbie games and the ohr joke movies either. It beats out FFH, Arfenhouse, and 50% of all the old games that people look up to out of a sense of nostalgia. How many RPGs do we have coming out that actually manage to keep a player interested long enough to play them? I can't even play Ends of the Earth anymore - it bores the hell out of me.
My grade is as it is, because I felt the end product was somehow more worthy than the grades I gave in the individual areas. Had I added them all up and used a more numeric approach to the score, then I'd have given it a D- based solely on the battle difficulty and the graphics, which I was severely biased against. The graphics are good - above the community average if nothing else. The fact is, is that if I based my decisions on a personal bias (for or against) them, then it would show that my judgement in reviewing the game was biased as well. Part of being a reviewer is to give an objective analysis of a game, OR to encourage others to play the game depending on whether the experience merits it.
I'm also not too terribly concerned about that grade staying as it is because I honestly do not believe it will stay that way for long. Red's games tend to get a lot of attention paid to them, and they're usually short enough that people will eventually review them. If you have a problem with it, then you've got three choices really.
1. Convince me to lower the grade.
2. Get an admin to change it.
3. Review it yourself and bring the score down.
If you'd prefer to debate with me the reasons why you felt it was unjustified, then your arguments would be better made in a review. That way, you can argue on a case by case basis in each section your own opinions. The end result would be to present two different opinions of the game in question, and I doubt anyone would be seriously put off by that. If anything it would help RMZ better able to fix the issues with his games (which I pointed out) by providing another source of information.
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Shadowiii
It's been real.
Joined: 14 Feb 2003
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Dedication points can go both ways (that is "game is finished"). Magnus is finished, but it obviously had no effort. HQ2 is finished, but it did have effort. IT should get some better points, but definatly not enough to alter a grade. It's a commendable action, indeed, but it isn't THAT commendable.
Also, whether or not somebody ditches work has nothing to do with a game review. It's the game you are reviewing, not the person's lifestyle.
That's it.
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Fenrir-Lunaris
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| Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly. But I'm talking about the difference between a B and B+ really. It's not like going from a C- to B-.
And ditching work or school, or neglecting your friends and family for ANY reason is generally a bad idea. I wouldn't reccommend it. |
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Uncommon
His legend will never die
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Fenrir-Lunaris wrote: | | ...they're usually short enough that people will eventually review them. |
Halloween Quest 2, the game in question, is far from short. If I could get myself through the thing (it's a chore just to get through the first thirty minutes) then I would review it, but I'd really rather not have to play it.
As far as the bonus points for finished games goes, I've always been more of a subtractive reviewer, myself, so I'd be quicker to take away points from an unfinished game than add points to a finished one. Finished games aren't quite as rare as you think they are. They're especially not as rare as they were a few years back.
But CN does have a point in saying that you ought to be judging the product instead of the process. That actually surprises me for someone who doesn't want to seem "biased", as you'd be obviously biased for giving points to the process. Also, you can always objectively hate the battle difficulty. If you didn't have fun with the battles, no one's gonna think you biased for being honest about it. It's that kind of mindset that would advertise Xenogears as being fun (which it wasn't). |
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JSH357
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Judging people based on effort is exactly why the public school system in America is a failure.
When you judge something, you're judging the entire thing, not a section of it. (considering effort put in as a section) Sectionalism is encouraged by the review format here, though, so I can't really blame you. |
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