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Bob the Hamster · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: OHRRPGCE goes GPL (source code!)

Today I released the OHRRPGCE source code under the GPL license. For more information, check out http://HamsterRepublic.com/ohrrpgce/source.php

Moogle1 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:44 am Post subject:

This is clearly the best news I've had all week.
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TMC · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject:

Only this week?

I am downloading this as soon as I get home, expect to see me do something with it.

Someone sticky.
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jabbercat · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject:

This is awesome! I am going to have serious fun modding this. Raspberry!

Setu_Firestorm · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject:

I think I'll look into this myself. Hopefully it will answer some of my many questions about programming.

/me conditions his mind for poisoning
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phyrfox · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject:

Great! Now my version will also be complete! Thanks James!

...

You could have helped me out with this a long time ago...! Just kidding, of course.

You aught to mention that the code needs to be kept somehow coherent, otherwise you'll have a non-compatible game system.

And, if I may ask, what target platforms is everyone going to aim for? What OS and underlying technologies?

If anyone has a similar ambition as me, I'd be willing to share development using the source as an inspiration for features and things that would be implemented.

~= phyrfox =~

phyrfox · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: Side Note...

And you made me install a new program. *sigh* I'll mirror the file in a source format for those who don't want to install the extra stuff.

http://phyrfox.homelinux.net/~phyrfox/ohrrpgce.zip

Enjoy!

Edit: Removed directory/folder link. For some reason Apache doesn't have permission to access subfolders that way, something I don't want to deal with right now.

Moogle1 · Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject:

I'm going to have a field day with this, personally. I don't know why you didn't do this sooner, James -- you'll never have to update the engine again anymore since we'll all be doing that for you.

The other best news this week is discovering I still have QB4.5 on my computer.
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jabbercat · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:56 am Post subject:

And the best news is: QB is abandonware and therefore legal to download (I think)! Raspberry!

TMC · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:47 am Post subject:

I suddenly notice that the menu code is RIPE for the changing...

Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

i agree w/ moogle1 that this is good news.

tmc and i had an idea for a battle-free version of the ohrrpgce. it would save a lot of memory (no foemap, no enemy database, no attacks system, and so on), which could then be used for sound effects or other noble purposes. there are a lot of ohr games that do not use the ohr battle system (even battle-based rpgs often have custom battle engines) so a lot of people would find use for it.

another suggestion which i want someone to implement (or i will if no one else does) is to increase the script buffer in some way. ziggurats for red turtle is fairly limited because of this buffer.

i have some questions about the ohr being gpl now, though. does this mean that we cannot sell ohrrpgce games? or that when we distribute game.exe with our game we must include the game.exe source code (which under the gpl you actually *must do*, techically). so i think you need to make a post clarifiying everything that switching the ohr to gpl means for ohrrpgce users, because not a lot of ohr users are as familiar with the terms of the gpl, and so wouldn't be aware of various technicalites. for example, officially the gpl corporation (the free software foundation or whatever its name is) now owns the ohrrpgce (it owns any software under the gpl licence).
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TMC · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:

Too bad, it looks like the foemap isn't even stored in memory. It's.. a bit hard to tell. I wish there was a roadmap Raspberry!

Removing battles would probably end up being a huge amount of work - I can see it coming. But, strangely, I've had this idea for 2 years or so.

NeoTA · **Idiomatic Nomenclature** Joined: 15 Mar 2004 Posts: 165

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I didn't really expect to see anyone add much anything depending anything new.
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yes, the code is quite awkward.
I have taken some bits out and translated them to python..
but, looking around i see that a lot of the code is simply to hack around QB's limitations.
it's really a mess.. and i understand exactly why james wouldn't want to enhance it much further or make an upgraded version.

james said awhile ago that the foemap is read off disk every time. not sure about the wall map.
I've sent james a program i wrote to auto-indent the files -- if he decides to use it, things should become significantly more readable. if you have python, you can use it: i uploaded it to:
http://neota.castleparadox.com/basclean.py

temporarily-located answers, although rinku is obtuse in his reading, this is his craziest post ever, and i will not answer this kind of q about the gpl again...

Things made with a GPLed tool are creative, not derivative: the GPL doesn't pertain to them in any way. derivation refers to modifying the software itself. see GCC and the fact that it is used to compile several commercial linux apps,
Gimp has been used for commercial film making, for examples.

No, you are not obliged to distribute source with game.exe or any modified version of OHRRPGCE you may make.
You need only include a link, like http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/source.php
where it can be obtained.

the FSF owns software owned by the FSF. It also owns licenses owned by itself (such as the GPL).
Any copyright may be assigned; for example the copyright in gimp is assigned per-source-file: Adam Moss wrote CPercep, it's copyrighted to him; Jay Cox wrote the libgimp matrix code, it's copyrighted to him; et cetera

In summary: believe exactly the opposite of what rinku is saying: he is lying here with terrible consistency, more than i could imagine to be mere ignorance.

The change in licensing affects only those who want to modify the ohrrpgce itself.

TMC · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject:

I found the wallmap code written in assembly in map.asm. I'll look at it later, but I can assume that it is not read from hard disk every 50 times a second it is needed

Rinku only asked questions... lies?

Anyway the one thing that I expected might change - does this mean that if we include the official game.exe with our games, we now have to provide a link to its source?
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NeoTA · **Idiomatic Nomenclature** Joined: 15 Mar 2004 Posts: 165

In every question, there are premises., things that you have to presuppose for the question to make sense. These presuppositions were so uniformly wrong, i assume they come from willful misinterpretation of the GPL.

But, the worst was the outright claim that the FSF steals whatever is put under the GPL.
It has no effect on ownership in fact.

When distributing binaries of GPLed software, you are required to provide some way for the user to acquire the source-code. the usual way is to provide a link.