Castle Paradox

[Charbile]

PHC, I appreciate you caring enough about what I say and this thread as a whole to troll it as much as you have, but I don't care enough to waste my time refuting idiot line by line replies by people who have habitually chosen not to understand what I write. Clap, clap, you really gave it to that thing you stuffed with straw and called Charbile! You showed him!

Here, line by line this for everyone's amusement, we can always do with a good laugh from the local clowns:

Go take a look around and
Tell me who writes in good humor and who writes in bad humor.
Tell me who comments on the essential and who comments on the inessential.
Tell me who is mature and who is immature.
Tell me who is petty and who is not.
Tell me who is being obnoxious and why.
Tell me what it means to be jaded.

Rhetorical, of course. The answers are obvious to all who care to look. You and the trolls are the only ones having trouble with the thread. Interestingly enough, you all are the same people who have started the trouble too.

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Squall, I appreciate your attempt to bring civility back to the thread like a respectable admin would do, but it is clear we cannot have that so long as trolls are allowed to spam the forums. I have found Caslte Paradox is a great place for ohr public banter, if you ignore them. To me, the issue is there are people here who want to enjoy the forums, and people here who do not want to, yet use them, and within that paradox, things become as garbled as this thread.

Have any of the trolls been given a warning for their antics in this thread or related, besides Leon?

If people view the forums as in a slump, then they should realize that this is the logical consequence of allowing trolls, spammers, et al forum terrorists to post with impunity. Good people look at what happens to Fyre for wanting to talk about his game before release and wisely shy away from using the public forums much if at all, while bad people jump in and increase the fervor. This matter is up to you who moderate the forums, since all we can do is leave to rid ourselves of the problem.

[Squall]

I saw very little actual trolling in this thread, only people who don't see eye to eye and refuse to budge in their opinions. That's not a punishable offense in my book, but it's close. I'll get to that later.

No, the main problem in this thread is that people refuse to stay focused. I came to terms with the fact that people didn't want to talk about SOJ after a certain point, so I tried to at least focus the tangent people were going off on, but lo and behold they sway to another tangent. So rather than punish the people who contributed towards the argument, I'd rather punish those who realized they had nothing to say on the topic, but posted anyway.

After that, there was a little bit of trolling, albiet minor. The thread also started off horribly, with everybody basically insulting Fyre, and I sensed a disapointment when he didn't respond. Cheers to Fyre for being one of the few people to take the high road during this thread. Even when Leon made the SOJ-mock game, he didn't start screaming on the boards. He contacted the ops personally, and handled it well. I don't know when Fyre got the reputation for being the ultimate flamewar starter, but it seems to be the opposite now.

Let me just go over a few posts that I don't believe contributed to the well being or the topic of the thread. Posts such as when Sephy said "Publicity whore" at the beginning, when PHC chose to scoff at "OHRRPGCE-based masterpiece", when Hunter Green randomly said "lol duke nukem forever", the whole tangent about eating hats, and about everything Orion, Leroy, Raekul and Joe Man posted.

Finally. PHC and Moogle1, I would not say that you are trolls, but you come across as extremely unfriendly. I realize that there is no shortage of stupid activity here, but acting like asses doesn't help a thing, it just makes the stupid immune system stronger. Please avoid acting as rashly, because you're strattling the troll-line. And Charbile, you alienated quite a few people by acting superior. The backlash you received may not have been fair, but it was rooted in something you did.

The bottom line is that we're all guilty of something, including me. We need to stop pointing fingers at each other and start looking at what we're doing, and how it affects the people who's behavior we hate.
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You got film in my video game!
You got video game in my film!

[Leon]

I just find it surprising that my topic Sock of Emerald was locked when I was talking about my game, but this topic hasn't been locked after 20 something pages of people fighting.

Oh, and on topic... Fyre could you post some in battle screens?

[Pako the True G]

Suddenly this no longer feels like a website, but more like a big house full of a bunch of angry siblings(CPers) in a continuing conflict with each other, while mommy and daddy(CastleParadox) have a baby(n00b) and when the baby meets the other siblings he is instantly shot down, and criticized to the point that he either leaves or hates the other siblings forever.
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[LongeBane]

[Jack]

I've always seen CP like some kind of 'Big Brother' show myself; this place seems way too over-dramatic at times. Although this definitely gives the site a sense of character, it also makes it a bit tiring to come to.

People just like being funny, especially around here. I find this as being completely fine, but when the jokes start turning to a darker side, i.e. flame war, something should be done. I'm not saying that arguments should be condemned from CP (as they are a vital part of any community), but yelling at anyone with blatant curses, and insults are a thing to be looked into. So long as every little thing isn't censored, and CP isn't treated as a living breathing baby, then this place shouldn't be so bad.

As for the actual 'topic':

..to be truthful, I really don't see a real 'main topic' in this thread. There hasn't really been much released about SoJ, so there really isn't much to discuss about it. PHC tried asking a few questions, but was ignored and told only that the game was to be 'The OHR's best', and that he was trolling too much with his questions and comments.

Fyrewulff has tried to contribute with showing random screenshots (although slightly plain) and trying to keep it on topic. The screenshots, although nice, aren't really helping. We would rather see some that show just why SoJ is supposed to be so great. Show us some battle screens, differences in day to night, or some other 'unique' ideas in your game. Then, just maybe, we'll have something to actually talk about.
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[MultiColoredWizard]

wow man you guys still argue all the time. i love how this community rips at each other's throat for not agreeing with someone.

so did soj2 come out? i don't like doing 22 pages of reading.

[Leon]

[JSH357]

I'd like to post and defend my game, but since SouleX hasn't released a game that's won a contest by a landslide, the top 30 three seasons in a row, has an overall average of A+ on this site (granted it only has one review), and is one of the 5-10 OHR games to come out in the past two years worth playing, I don't see why he knows what he's talking about. Therefore, I have no reason to step in and defend the virtues of my game.

That said, I have no reason to flame SouleX, but I'd like to ask him: did you actually play my game? Did you stop playing it after you determined that the plot involved Hitler and a sandwich?

Better yet, do you like the Kirby games? Do you like the Mario RPGs? Katamari Damacy? Space Invaders? Disgaea, perhaps? Wandering Hamster? If your narrow definition of a 'joke game' is a "game with fine-tuned gameplay mechanics with a trite storyline" then you must surely think all of those are joke games as well.

Before you dismiss a game as a joke, figure out what the game is actually about. If you can label my game as a joke based on its gameplay elements alone, I'll accept your criticism.

[Moogle1]

I've come across as unfriendly? Certainly this was unintentional. Of course, it was not my intent to come across as friendly, either, so maybe that's just what happens.

I do feel it's within the bounds of reason for someone who's been here longer than any other active member of this community to have a healthy dose of skepticism regarding this game's release date. I think it's acceptable for someone who's serious about game design to defend a game such as Thanksgiving Quest, even in an unfriendly manner. I think it's a poor excuse to blame the number of joke games for the lack of good games. I don't think it's unreasonable to tell someone to SUAMYG. If you can point me to a post of mine where I've been out of line, I'll be more than happy to apologize.

Regarding Char and Fyre, I have been more than civil. In this thread alone I have offered my services several times. Yes, I have raised an eyebrow at their release dates, but I happened to be right about that.

Not that I mind being reprimanded if I actually happen to be acting against forum policy, but I really have to wonder how I got so high on your list considering all the other crap that gets posted here.
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[The Wobbler]

[FyreWulff]

July 30, 2005. Saturday night.

That is all.

[The Wobbler]

[Pako the True G]

Well now that we have all spilled our guts and feelings, lets wait in healthy anticipation for the release of SoJ2 which hopefully gets released July 30th.
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[Soule X]