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Newbie_Power




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He probably wants his game to have an aura of professionability so he can impress others.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, professional or not, this would seem like a huge waste of time for a first-time game. Installers are generall used when files are simply to huge for a zip file, like SOJ.
Running an installer would make me seem a little hopeful that the game I just downloaded was worth cramming into an installer.
But there have been a few times when I am heavily disappointed that so much time was wasted into the package of the game instead of its content.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Camdog wrote:
Perhaps I'm being dense, but why bother with an installer at all? It isn't as if an OHR game needs to mess with, say, the system registry in order to play properly. Can't you just stick all the required files in a zip archive?


I do regret dropping plain and simple RPG-file-in-a-ZIP distribution, and I will be adding that back as an option next time I release an update to Wandering Hamster-- but a Windows installer will remain the default main distribution method, That is the only way to make the game accessable to those vast legions of non-technical Windows users who are not emotionally capable of installing a program any other way.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Running an installer would make me seem a little hopeful that the game I just downloaded was worth cramming into an installer.
Exactly my point. He probably wants people to feel that they're getting their download's worth until they actually play the game (which may or may not be awesome, which I doubt it is since he finished it so quickly).
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AutoT




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really. It's just that my friends absolutely loath having to have multiple programs and running the player and all that stuff. And it's not the full game it's just that I need BETA testers before I continue on.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with James, whether to use installers or not depends upon your target audience: technically sophisticated people are fine with zips or rars, people who are new to computers need installers. The main benefit of installers is not registry manipulation, but creating desktop icons, which a lot of people rely on exclusively. I can't imagine my mother being able to figure out how to install and run a program from a zip for example, but she can click on a desktop icon just fine.
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J.A.R.S.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and not everyone has a .rar or .zip archiver program... but everyone can run an .exe (although versions prior to windows 98 might have problems)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, most OSes come with .ZIP support these days. Well, Windows, at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

true, i had discarded the os change.. tar.gz and zip works in linux but I doubt installers would without a clone such as X-window emulator... But reasonably, the installer is to make it simpler for users and well, these users probably don't use linux...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's nothing stopping AutoT from making separate .zip and .tar.gz files, though. In fact, I would recommend it in addition the .exe installer.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

which brings me this question... does ohr work under linux?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And it's not like zip archivers are hard to find. 7-zip can unzip most anything, and it's completely free.

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which brings me this question... does ohr work under linux?


Yes, but doing a simple search at the wiki would find you better answers.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.A.R.S. wrote:
which brings me this question... does ohr work under linux?


Yes, very nicely. I use it all the time. (although I do still have a small Win XP partition on my Work laptop that I can reboot into if I *really* need to test out a windows-only bug)

Just as Windows users tend to expect single EXE installers, Linux users tend to expect package manager integration. Ziggy has already written gentoo emerge support, and I have made some progress on packaging as .deb files for Debian and Ubuntu. (as far as I know, nobody has attempted Redhat rpm's yet)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zip support consists of treating a zip as if it were a folder. But most people new to computers, and people who use them very rarely, don't know anything about working with folders. They are likely to try to run the game from within the zip, which would cause problems with some games.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok... that's all very nice and all but that still doesn't help me with the installer. I copied the files over and it's still saying the program doesn't exist.
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