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khfan15
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| Ronin Catholic wrote: | Dudes, most of this stuff you said is stuff God told me that very night when I read my Bible before going to sleep. For one thing, he said I have to stay here and prophesy for another 390 days, then then this place will be judged. I'm not sure when he started counting; it could be when my ban was lifted(unlikely; I think that's already gone by), it could be when I read it...or it could be counting down from when I warn you(which I think is most likely) Yes, I regularly wear sandals, even in the bitter Michigan winter...because they're cheap and easy to remove so that I can walk barefoot sometimes. I do have a walking stick; well, maybe more of a club.
If you want to, you can consider Nathan Karr to be my gimmick account. I do...now that I have my own email address, rather than piggybacking on someone else. You have my word as a gentleman, a Prophet of God, and a Knight that should Ronin Catholic get banned, Nathan Karr won't show up to override it. Nathan Karr is dead; he will never post again.
I never said I agreed with ChaosNyte...I'm not even sure what posesses me to side with him. I think that his games are among the smuttiest. But God seems to keep telling me that I have to do something with him; he keeps telling me that the current administration will fall and an old ruler will return, but I don't quite understand that. I'm just trusting in God on this one.
Intolerance is a GOOD thing. Endurance is better than tolerance. I cannot tolerate even small ammounts of immoral sex or foul language...but sometimes I can endure a little bit of it
Maybe Surlaw isn't intentionally based upon a Dragon Warrior enemy; but he IS almost identical to the Walrusthrope in DW4; I saw lots of nods towards Dragon Warrior in Super Walrus Chef, so I just assumed that there was a direct link where appaerently there isn't.
Yes, everything that Nathan Karr ever posted he did really feel...he was never really inconsistant, he just omitted several key facts through bad memory; not that he wasn't thinking them, just that he forgot to post them. The only time he lied intentionally was just before he got banned; when he said that he revived dead posts because he thought it was right, instead of just saying he didn't know it was wrong. Also, because he considered it his right to judge people, instead of just their work, he assumed many people were arrogant that weren't and so on. Anyway, glad he's dead, aren't we all?
I have been just as offended, if not more so, by Gizmog's games than PHC's, and God reminded me of that on Friday night. Sorry for the omission.
I've never played any of JSH's games, partly because I never knowingly play a game with swear words in the title, and partly because before I realized that "OMFG" was swearing, the games wouldn't download right.
I like the overall ideas of many games, especially ones like ARFENHOUSE, but swearing and sex really get on my nerves. Playing a game that is 87% enjoyable makes me wish the author was cleaner so that it could be 99.87% enjoyable, instead.
I know, and have known, that I cannot really affect your choices one way or the other. I can, at best, remind you of the choices you can make, nd the concequences thereof.
Now then, games are essentially food for your soul. Eating crap food and playing crap games are essentially the same. You fill your soul with sex and swearing, and you become sex and swearing. If you are sex and swearing, that is what your games will be. Games with horrible gameplay, numerous glitches, and horribly written storylines are like junk food; they don't really hurt, but they surely don't do any good.
On top of swearing and sex, I am at odds with bad religeon and philosophy.
I am at odds with Shadowiii's game STOP, and its claim that anyone can become God just by being able to create something from nothing, and knowing everything. Those are two aspects of God, but by no means all of them. God cannot create another being to equal Himself; not anyomore than He can create a rock big enough to crush himself. He can create beings as powerful as the one gods of any other religeon; he created Fenrir, afterall, and I am the new Odin. However, all gods are meant to point towards the True God. (For more on my beleif like this, read C.S.Lewis's "That Hideous Strength," the rest of you, just ignore it as my arrogance.)
My judgements against Fenrir's games apply to all of them I've played, to some extent or another. I've played Timestream Saga, Inheritor, Legend of Cale, FFR and both versions of FFH. I cannot think of even one of them to be free of yiff; albeit, FFH was the lightest. Also, I disagree with Chaos's claim that "religeon opposes science;" Pagan religeon does that; Atheist religeon does that; Christianity in general, and Catholocism in particular, has been the main force that drove science forward over the past fifteen hundred years. I will concede that the religeon of four goddesses in FFH isn't really supposed to be Christianity; but it sure feels like a parody of it to me. And an inaccurate parody, at that. I also oppose his games on the fact that the furry characters claim that being part animal gives them rights to special morality, and then demand to be treated the same as humans dispite their constant blatant immorality. If the Zyrans had any sense, they'd have beheaded Vulpes the first time she hit on something that wasn't Zyran, to spare their race's reputaition. It's sortof funny how I had been a furry for some ten years(since I was nine!) and didn't know it, because the only stuff I had ever heard about furries was that they dressed up in costume and had sex.
Now, Nathan Karr was an idiot; he brought a gun to a swordfight, and then tried to slice his opposition with the gun. I will not make the same mistake; philosophical battle is to be fought with rapier wit, not yelling loudly and acting indignant.
You may notice that while I say I am offended, annoyed, outraged, and disgusted by the content of the games here, I never once said I was shocked. All of the evils represented by these games I have either commuted myself, or contemplated commiting. An experienced Christian cannot be shocked by any evil. I have done worse than yell God's name as an insult or an exlaimation of pain; I have written stories where Ronin Catholic = God, rather than Ronin Catholic < God, serves God, and tries his best to know God.
I never actually remember saying I was better than anyone. If anyone thinks he is the knig of sinners, he is wrong. My crown shall not be taken away from me. I acted like I was a judge of men; I'm not, I'm a maker of games, a player of games, and a judge of games.
I was commited to this community when first I played Exposing the Unknown and Den said "Why not swear? The kids are just going to learn those words anyway." and is given the response "You're right. Swear all you want."
Battleblaze, God did send me here; He is repeating with me the instructions He gave to Noah, and to Job, and to Lot, and to Jeremiah. Thanks for being forthright and calling me a dick; I almost deserved it. Also, I never got that cameo in Castle Paradox Versus. How hard can it be to make a wandering NPC whose textbox consists of "Hi!"?
You can burn a man for his philosophy; this has been done for generations, and shows that a society at least understands what is important. What is wrong is to say that his philosophy doesn't matter, and say that he is entitled to his opinion. Every man's opinion is important, for the good reason that it is his opinion. If he didn't think it was right, he wouldn't hold it. You can say I'm crazy, stupid, and arrogant for claiming to be a prophet; but you can't convince me that I'm not. I'm not sorry for annoying or offending you, and I won't expect you to be sorry for annoying or offending me.
If you want me to prove that I am a prophet of God, here is my prediction: You will get drunk and attack one another.
I wan't trying to compare CP to the Assyrians, although there are some paralells. I compare it more to Jerusalem. God chose this people for something good; instead we, sometimes including myself, chose to follow other gods and do that which we know is wrong. God has us taken away, but will take us back.
PHC, I'm glad to see we're no longer enemies; although I'll be the first to admit that 99.99% of the animosity was from my side. Thanks for being cool about this and not losing your head like I did.
Thanks for the general spelling and grammar corrections. I really, really love receiving those(honest!). I like being corrected; it makes me feel that I'm worth correcting.
Yes, Nathan is dead, and all may rejoice. Ronin has come, and some will hate him more than Nathan, some will love him more, and most simply won't care. |
Let me just say...
I went out of my way to get banned from this site to keep myself from coming back and seeing the stupid shit that's posted on these forums, but this just takes the cake. I've been really good about not posting in threads unrelated to my work, but I have to throw this comment out there:
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?
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Fenrir-Lunaris
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| Ronin Catholic wrote: | | My judgements against Fenrir's games apply to all of them I've played, to some extent or another. I've played Timestream Saga, Inheritor, Legend of Cale, FFR and both versions of FFH. I cannot think of even one of them to be free of yiff; albeit, FFH was the lightest. |
OHRadius has no sexual content, and Vikings of Midgard is for the most part entirely free of sexual innuendo, as has been intended since it is designed to be distributed with future versions of the OHRRPGCE. I should also point out that despite the "gods" claims of being so, their purpose is simply to protect and serve humanity, not to lead or rule them. Odin says so himself.
| Ronin Catholic wrote: | | Also, I disagree with Chaos's claim that "religeon opposes science;" Pagan religeon does that; Atheist religeon does that; Christianity in general, and Catholocism in particular, has been the main force that drove science forward over the past fifteen hundred years. I will concede that the religeon of four goddesses in FFH isn't really supposed to be Christianity; but it sure feels like a parody of it to me. And an inaccurate parody, at that. |
You can't take what Chaos says as being the truth either BECAUSE he's a demon and inherant deceiver. The 3 goddesses religion he invented was to deceive people and make them forget what the purpose of the crystals was. If the religion smacks of an innaccurate and cruel parody, it's probably because the dark lord intended it to be.
I should also point out that much of our scientific knowledge, while masterfully preserved by dedicated Catholic monks for 1000 years, was actually advanced by Islam. Astronomy in particular is HEAVILY influenced by arabic names, in various constellations and hundreds of visable stars. Chemistry, Navagation, Medicine, Biology, Philosophy, Psychology, and a host of other studies were furthered more by arab scholars than their european counterparts during the dark ages. It was only after the crusades, and during the rennaisance in particular that this trend was reversed. I cannot adequately convey the pity and sympathy I have for those people who have spent the whole of their lives preparing for an imminent apocalypse instead of enjoying and seeking to better the world they live in. Especially since so called prophets have been speaking about an imminent apocalypse since the dawn of mankind.
The point is not whether religion and science cannot co-exist. Science's purpose is to understand how God's universe works. Religion's purpose is to understand how we should fit into that same universe. The moment either system tries to do the other's job is when they break down in disarray.
| Ronin Catholic wrote: | | I also oppose his games on the fact that the furry characters claim that being part animal gives them rights to special morality, and then demand to be treated the same as humans dispite their constant blatant immorality. If the Zyrans had any sense, they'd have beheaded Vulpes the first time she hit on something that wasn't Zyran, to spare their race's reputaition. It's sortof funny how I had been a furry for some ten years(since I was nine!) and didn't know it, because the only stuff I had ever heard about furries was that they dressed up in costume and had sex. |
The only rights they claim to share are life, fair treatment, and to pursue happiness. If anything, my games show that any sentient being has these rights. That and it's been implicitly suggested since the beginning that Zyrans DON'T have a death penalty. Killing someone for any kind of sexual immorality is not only cruel, but also immoral as well. Christ forgave a prostitute, did he not? Let he who is without sin, and all that? By what you've suggested, if human beings had any sense, we'd have beheaded Hitler the first time he suggested killing Jews. And yet the Catholic Church just stood by while millions got slaughtered. If you can live with hypocracy, and learn to better yourself, you'll be not only a better christian but also a better person. |
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Moogle1
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| Quote: | | If you want me to prove that I am a prophet of God, here is my prediction: You will get drunk and attack one another. |
Ha, shows what you know. I don't even drink. As for the second part, doesn't take a genius.
| Quote: | | Intolerance is a GOOD thing. Endurance is better than tolerance. I cannot tolerate even small ammounts of immoral sex or foul language...but sometimes I can endure a little bit of it |
Let's back up here. No one is suggesting that you should be tolerant of evil. You should, however, be tolerant of those who practice it, like JSH, Gizmog, PHC, and yourself. You should realize that the ideologies of others, while perhaps flawed, all contain some good from which you can learn.
Oh and while I'm on the topic hey Battleblaze, for all your talk on intolerance you seem pretty intolerant of Nathan. Take a look in the mirror.
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Fenrir-Lunaris
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| Moogle1 wrote: | | No one is suggesting that you should be tolerant of evil. You should, however, be tolerant of those who practice it, like JSH, Gizmog, PHC, and yourself. You should realize that the ideologies of others, while perhaps flawed, all contain some good from which you can learn. |
I believe this was also said as "hate the sin, but love the sinner" to some extent. Also, understanding another's beliefs can in some cases strengthen your own. Put another way "the light of a single candle may illuminate 1000 others, and yet its light will not be diminished". |
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msw188
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To PHC:
To be fair, that monster is just my guess, and I shouldn't speak for another. Its pretty funny either way. I mean, do any of the monsters on that list really look like Surlaw...?
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Ronin Catholic
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| Quote: | Seriously? These two characters look alike to him? vs
I think this puzzles me more than anything else he's posted.
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Sorry, I was thinking of SuperWalrusMan. I just remembered in Gato Suico when Bob said "Bob Surlaw backwards is Walrus Bob."
| Quote: | OHRadius has no sexual content, and Vikings of Midgard is for the most part entirely free of sexual innuendo, as has been intended since it is designed to be distributed with future versions of the OHRRPGCE. I should also point out that despite the "gods" claims of being so, their purpose is simply to protect and serve humanity, not to lead or rule them. Odin says so himself.
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Hmm...I never played those games because I was used to there being an oveabundance of eplicit sexual content in your games. I think I'll download them and give them a try. Also, the gods being there to serve and protect mankind is what I feel thet they're for. I find myself agreeing more with every word you say.
| Quote: | I should also point out that much of our scientific knowledge, while masterfully preserved by dedicated Catholic monks for 1000 years, was actually advanced by Islam. Astronomy in particular is HEAVILY influenced by arabic names, in various constellations and hundreds of visable stars. Chemistry, Navagation, Medicine, Biology, Philosophy, Psychology, and a host of other studies were furthered more by arab scholars than their european counterparts during the dark ages. It was only after the crusades, and during the rennaisance in particular that this trend was reversed. I cannot adequately convey the pity and sympathy I have for those people who have spent the whole of their lives preparing for an imminent apocalypse instead of enjoying and seeking to better the world they live in. Especially since so called prophets have been speaking about an imminent apocalypse since the dawn of mankind.
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It was Islam that did a great deal of work on sciences, but I still say that Christianity did better. Afterall, we gave the world Sir Francis Bacon, Isaac Newton, Copernicus, and Gallileo(who was not as badly persecuted as many say). I don't think anyone enjoys life more than I do. Waiting for the Apocalypse is what allows me to enjoy life; to attempt to fix as much as I can while I'm here, and improve as much good stuff as I can. Also, I'm not talking about the downfall of the whole world; just a lot of other stuff.
| Quote: | | If anything, my games show that any sentient being has these rights. That and it's been implicitly suggested since the beginning that Zyrans DON'T have a death penalty. Killing someone for any kind of sexual immorality is not only cruel, but also immoral as well. Christ forgave a prostitute, did he not? Let he who is without sin, and all that? By what you've suggested, if human beings had any sense, we'd have beheaded Hitler the first time he suggested killing Jews. And yet the Catholic Church just stood by while millions got slaughtered. If you can live with hypocracy, and learn to better yourself, you'll be not only a better christian but also a better person. |
Christ forgave the prostitute, I'll concede that. But at least she was willing to be forgiven. Also, the Zyrans have no death penaly because they're weak. I wouldn't support killing Hitler when he first started talking about killing Jews; I'd have wanted him locked away for that. I would have held the axe personally after the first time he actually killed one, though. And to me being a better Christian is to be a better person, although there are some more or less good people outside of the church, and some complete monsters within it.
| Quote: | Ha, shows what you know. I don't even drink. As for the second part, doesn't take a genius.
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I wasn't necessarily talking about getting drunk on alchohol; there are other intoxicants out there. Among them is self-importance. Perhaps I should have translated that as "intoxicated?" I don't write the prophecies; I just deliver them.
| Quote: | Let's back up here. No one is suggesting that you should be tolerant of evil. You should, however, be tolerant of those who practice it, like JSH, Gizmog, PHC, and yourself. You should realize that the ideologies of others, while perhaps flawed, all contain some good from which you can learn.
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I'm just used to the word "tolerant" being used to mean "act as if their evil is as good as your good because all philosophies are equal;" the greatest load of smurf I've ever heard. And I've read my own posts!
I will concede that every philosophy contains at least some part of the truth; however, I contend that the Catholic Church is the only institution to contain the whole truth. Albeit, there are some people within the Church who intentionally ignore key doctrines, and take only that part of the truth they want to hear. As an example, Nathan Karr practically worshipped cliche and hated anything that called itself original; he set out to make an RPG that would be completely cliche, but it collapsed in on him and crushed him to death because the first cliche is "try to be original." Ronin Catholic, however, takes the whole doctrine of using cliche originally, rather than trying to do nothing that has been done before, leading to doing nothing at all, and doing only that which has been done before, leading to suffocation.
| Quote: | I went out of my way to get banned from this site to keep myself from coming back and seeing the stupid shit that's posted on these forums, but this just takes the cake. I've been really good about not posting in threads unrelated to my work, but I have to throw this comment out there:
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Umm...do I know you? I've never went out of my way to get banned, I'm just very good at getting people to misunderstand me. I wrote the part about "unless this gets me banned" to say that I am often misunderstood, and I was afraid that some of what I said might be taken as flaming...or trolling. I'm sorry to anyone that was confused.
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A religeon is a specific set of dogmas and philosophical ideals that shapes your outlook on humanity, the universe, and God, and how you react to them. All religeons that I know about require faith, that is, beleiving things which you cannot prove. The two that I know the best are Christianity and Atheism.
Christianity states that God created man in his own image, to love and serve Him and make more men, that man is the master of the earth, which is subordinate to him, that man was given free choice to do so or to follow his heart's desire, that he chose the latter, and fell, that God offers each man a chance to be redeemed, and follow Him again. It requires you to beleive, without proof, that God exists, that He created man good, that man chose to fall, and that God cares enough about man to want to raise him back up. It implies that man has an inherent value and should be treated with dignity and respect, even when he obviously doesn't deserve it(as I'm doing right now, and some of you have done for me), that man's job is to take care of and maintain nature, and that man is at his best only when serving God.
Atheism states that the universe created itself out of nothing, or that it always was, that it exploded and this explosion somehow formed the apparent order of the universe, that somehow on a nearly infinitely small chance the earth was placed in the one position out of a nearly infinite number that could support life, that some chemicals randomly came together to form life, that this life continued to produce more life with each offspring to survive to adulthood being slightly better than the last until we reach human. It requires you to beleive that we are somehow very lucky, even though there's no force to obtain luck from. It implies that man is ultimately useless, that all other religeons are an effort in futility because there is no force outside of the physical universe, that man is no more important than any other part of the universe, nor does he have any special obligation to the universe beyond keeping his bleak and futile life a little bit longer.
Now, I would like to suggest that as many of you that can read G.K. Chesterton's books; my favorite is "The Ball and the Cross," which consists of two men talking about philosophy, the way we are now, and also trying to have a duel to the death about it. It reminds me of what I'm feeling now about those that I though were my enemies, such as PHC and Fenrir. "We must fight now, and one of us must die; for I fear that if we go on like this much longer, we will not be able to fight. I think I'm beginning to like you." And that reminds me of The Man who was Thursday, a book about a man that thinks he has invaded an anarchist organization, to find that all of the top-most people are like himself, but have been afraid to say so because they all thought eachother were the enemy. |
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Shadowiii
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Are we sure this isn't Gizmog? I could see him doing something like this, because it's really funny.
| Quote: | I am at odds with Shadowiii's game STOP, and its claim that anyone can become God just by being able to create something from nothing, and knowing everything. Those are two aspects of God, but by no means all of them. God cannot create another being to equal Himself; not anyomore than He can create a rock big enough to crush himself. He can create beings as powerful as the one gods of any other religeon; he created Fenrir, afterall, and I am the new Odin. However, all gods are meant to point towards the True God. (For more on my beleif like this, read C.S.Lewis's "That Hideous Strength," the rest of you, just ignore it as my arrogance.)
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Horray, I was mentioned. I wasn't going to comment, but here's a few things to take into account when reading this. First off, who is saying that is the requirements to godhood. First, it is the Shadow (who is obviously the bad guy, so we can't listen to what he says anyway), and second off it is just his idea. I, myself, don't believe in that. Truthfully, once you reach the end of the game (which never was brought into existance), you find out that the Shadow was wrong. Though I don't agree with your "God can't create another being as strong as himself" and then using the rock analogy, because the rock is STRONGER, not as strong as, so that doesn't prove your point. But thats nitpicking. At any rate, it's a GAME, in a different plane of existance, so why are we bothering with this anyway?
Nathan...er...Ronin...whatever...seriously, both us and you will be happier with you at the Christian web site. We'd love to keep playing your games, but your approach on this religious crusade on CP isn't going to accomplish you anything. If anything, it's pushing people the WRONG way from Christianity. Seriously, how old are you again?
Which, unrealted, makes me wonder if he played The Seventh Day, since it's loaded with Religious/Science crap. Granted, he probably got a script error and quit after the first battle. 
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| Moogle1 wrote: | | Quote: | | If you want me to prove that I am a prophet of God, here is my prediction: You will get drunk and attack one another. |
Ha, shows what you know. I don't even drink. As for the second part, doesn't take a genius. |
Ha! Shows what you know. It's the BLOOD OF CHRIST, maaaan. Nathan's probably into boozin' it up to the max!
GET HIGH ON CHRIST! GET HIGH ON LIFE!
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Ronin Catholic
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I agree that my style often pushes people away from Christianity, but I know that I must remain here. I will continue to give my calm, honest replies to any other philosophical questions raised on this thread, and I will also continue my existance at the place where I now am(<-The first time I've linked to anything in my life). I would like to thank you all for you patience, even those who didn't give me any(I would like to, but can't).
Also, while I will concede that the Blood of Christ is 13% alchohol(which is why he doesn't drive; not that he's drunk, but that it's illegal), I am only nineteen years old, which, in Michigan, means that I'm not allowed to have non-religeous alchoholic beverages.
Now then, I would like to point out the Seven Virtues. The first four are those common ot all men, including pagans and most atheists.
First is Justice, which is finding exactly what a man deserves and getting it to him; this is often seen in the negative, because punishing wrong is easier and more fun than rewarding right. An example isbanning me more starting a flamewar and ignoring everything said to my by moderators and administrators.
The second is Prudence, which is also called Common Sense. It's basic all-around smartness, and, beleive it or not, my specialty. An example is the way I responed to philosophical debate this time around, or the way the rest of you did both times.
The third is Fortitude, which is sticking with thing even when they are hard. This is my second-largest weak point. An example is sticking around here to try to win as many as I can over to Christ, even when it looks like I'm losing. Or, finishing a game.
The fourth is Temperance. This is finding how far any given pleasure, such as drinking, playing games, or posting on forums, is meant to go and going no further. No two men created by God are exactly alike, and so how far Temperance goes varies from person to person. For example, some people can drink quarts of beer and still be temperate, while others wouldn't be able to stop after having any, and should therefore have none. A good rule of thumb is to stop while you still enjoy it.
These are the four which we all share, and those upon which I based my four main heroes without even knowing it. The next three are paradoxical, seeming to contradict themselves.
Faith is beleiving the unbeleivable.
Hope is being cheerful in despair.
Charity is giving good to those who specifically don't deserve it, and is my biggest weak point.
I'm sorry if I've spoiled a couple of your games; I probably should have(actually, I sortof did) notice that it was the bad guys talking.
This brings up one of my reasons for alsways thinking the worst of people; if I think as bad of a person as possible, I will be pleasantly surprized when he's actually better than that, and overjoyed at my being wrong. If I always try to think the best of people, I will always be disappointed. In other words, I look at every glass as half empty, so that I can see it as half full.
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| Quote: | | Catholocism in particular, has been the main force that drove science forward over the past fifteen hundred years. |
I love how we've all conveniently forgotten that the pope of the time said there was no such thing as a VACUUM. In fact, anyone saying there was such a thing was severely punished (imprisoned or possibly executed for heresy).
Aaaaanyway.
This is cute and all, but I think (no offense to either you, the reader, might be) that being a christian, and being an atheist are just as bad as each other. To assume we, the human race, can even begin to comprehend the very question of god's existence, is quite the assumption. And that is all I see in your blabbings. Such desultory displays of self importance, like the kind contained in this tripe, tend to upset the stomach.
And with that, I'm done reading this thread. I don't have the patience left to read every novel of a reply this kid writes.
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Ronin Catholic
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You are wrong, of course. Your claim that I cannot know God is at least as arrogant as my claim to be in a personal relationship with Him.
It is impossible to prove that He does exist, impossible to prove that He doesn't exist, and impossible to prove that he cannot be proven to exist. All three are matters of faith; I was focusing so much on Christianity and Atheism that I forgot about the other two religeons I know all too well; Agnosticism and Gnosticism.
Normally, Agnostic simply means "without knowledge;" but in cases such as this one, it means "beleives that knowledge can't be obtained."
Gnostics beleive that there is no such thing as matter, and all is really spirit, with matter being a mere obstacle on the way to perfection.
You cannot defeat any heresy with pure reason, because each one automatically proves itself reasonably, assuming that the universe is only so small. Each person like this lives in a world that, while complete, is puny. Yes, a man could be God in his own world; but what a small and useless God, with angels no bigger than butterflies, and a cosmos no bigger than his head. |
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