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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Flaming discussion split from New Member Contest idea Reply with quote

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How do you expect this community to grow if you just flame all new members if they don't correspond to your ideas of good gameplay until they leave anyways? That's how the community got this small to begin with~
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are pointing fingers at me, I am not flaming anybody. Some people do have that mentality in this community, which is why I covered all grounds in my initial posts by mentioning that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not pointing a finger at anyone specific. It's more of a "common impression" I have.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're still butthurt about why I told people why being able to save your location anywhere in Darkraven was a bad idea (and how some other games had much better saving systems for the type of game they are), then I can't apologize.

Other than that, I've been trying to completely avoid forcing my own personal views on others lately. Yes, I've made suggestions for changes in Yo Ghost, but because I knew the battles and encounter rate in that game would annoy pretty much everyone, and was not good design no matter the perspective. It's helping a newbie fix a major mistake.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rya, you gotta understand man, you come across as a pretentious dick, which is why people react so strongly to what you say. Frankly, I think it may be a language issue, but I really don't think what you're describing is endemic to the community.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it comes to getting along with one another (and this goes for both newbies and oldbies), sometimes it is not so much what you say to one another, as how you say it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes people like Rya don't entirely get it. We've tried being nice and telling him he's a jerk, I'm pretty sure alot of us have. But then he would turn around and be a bigger idiot. The more aggressive we got, the less he complained.

Hell, until this thread came up, Rya was actually doing pretty good for "Rya standards".
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Newbie_Power
It's more like what James said. It's not an issue of content, it's an issue of how things are said. I don't really feel 'unwanted' or 'flamed' if you say "I don't agree with Rya, you shouldn't be able to save anywhere in that game" but I do when someone comes along and posts "You are an idiot Rya, nobody gives shit about your opinion anyways". And yes there have been hundreds of posts like that in these forums.
Also I totally support telling people what's wrong with their games. Hell, I mean I think you SHOULD do that. It's what I always do as well. Besides there won't be much point of forums if discussions like that were unwanted. >_>

RMZ's post displays exactly what I don't like about the people here~
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think what James said doesn't apply to you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I'm learning self control here. I will say "I don't think you should be able to save at any location" and explain why. Forget about how I reacted in the past, treat my thoughts and explanations how I say it now (I won't degrade the thread more on the matter here).

If RMZ tries to flame mercilessly again, a moderator will probably step in.

Anyway, you said that we shouldn't treat new people like this. This doesn't just include Rya. There's also Sasuke, DragonBlood, Smeargle, and even Ianator. Maybe others I've forgotten.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moogle1 wrote:
Don't think what James said doesn't apply to you.

I know I know. However I never use any 'offending' words myself (except in PMs sometimes but not on public forums), so it's hard for me to grasp what makes it that other people feel offended.

It usually seems that people get offended just because I criticize them, but I'm used to people being thankful when being criticized, since it helps them to improve. But here it's more like "I feel offended and you are wrong and I won't improve myself at all."~


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What's really weird is that the whole 'old member' community here seems to have the exactly same opinion on things! It feels for me that once there was a variety of opinions, but then the 'majority' kicked out the people with different opinions! Really that's my impression of this place. That what it makes so hard to discuss game design here too. If you have a different opinion that this 'main core' everyone and I mean really everyone will disagree you. This here is the only community where that happens. In all other communities I always find people that agree with me and people that disagree with me on the same issue. Here it really feels like "What we think is the best game design, everything else are stupid suggestions". I guess that's the main problem I see here...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that so much as the fact that often times, you'll end up saying things that is pretty crazy, outrageous, unbelievable, or all of the above. I'm not going to quote anything, but that's what is the biggest problem, not what the "main" community agrees on as a whole.

And I don't think anyone kicked out anyone. It's just that time passed, the OHR didn't port over to Windows as fast as it should have, and people who were not as interested in the program left.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to love CP, hell, if not for CP, then I wouldn't be where I'm at today with the ohr. So it's not that I'm purposely flaming, it's that I'm aggressively expressing my disgust in some of the outlandish things Rya says.

I mean, no one gets offended by your posts Rya. I mean, I highly doubt anyone takes you seriously. Because alot of the things you say make it seem like you are actually TRYING to argue with someone. What's the point of that, really?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@RMZ
It's true that I enjoy argueing (though when I say that I mean it in a way as 'giving arguments' and not as 'fighting'). I think that forums are there to display different opinions on various topics. And if I don't agree with someone I feel obligated to post a different view on it, even if it's not even my own view. However I don't just post something that doesn't make any sense just with the intention to make people angry.

@Surlaw
As said above I enjoy discussing about things, and yes it's true that I always want to proof myself until the last human agrees with me (and since this will never happen I'll continue forever until I run out of arguments). And yes you can call me elitist, I guess.

Also I didn't complain that Iblis wrote a negative review of EOTE, I complained that he gave it a score that isn't appropriate for the opinion he wrote on the game. He even later admitted that he gave much worse games a better score (for me that was the point where the criminal admitted his crime and my job was done so I didn't reply on that anymore).

I encourage everyone to criticize games all that want, even my own games. Don't think I won't consider the opinions posted for my actual game design (even though I won't update Fatal Maze anymore because it's a finished project, that doesn't mean my future games won't be influenced by the suggestions; however lately I feel more like giving people new thoughts on game design and let them do the games, because I found myself only enjoying to design games but not actually creating them, also because of my limited time due to work and forum moderation on various forums, I can do really good graphics, but I need 2 hours for each maptile to look really good and it's no fun for me at all >-< /rant).
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