Castle Paradox

Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

I got it because I already know the way Newbie Power writes (he already used "this" before I think in the Xerion thread where it was more obvious what he meant).

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The copy game thingy was a response to the cliche discussion (cliche automatically means that you copy something existing).

Newbie_Power · Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Posts: 1762

Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

But if there's a cliche there should be at least one game that is like that, otherwise it doesn't make sense for such a cliche to exist. So if you use a cliche you are automatically copying all games that are the reason for this cliche.

Meatballsub · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:35 am Post subject:

TwinHamster · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:

Are cliches really that terrible?
I mean, there's definitely a reason why people keep using them: They Work

You can use cliches and still be original, just add your own twist to them.

Now, generic properties in games.
Ugh. These are bad.

Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

Well, only fully unique games will always be on another level. Compared to unique games other games are worthless crap no matter how much effort has been put into them. MMORPGs and JRPGs are really hated by game journalists mainly because they are all the same. Yes there are exceptions and yes those exceptions are the games that are discussed by them and then get as famous as Cave Story or Touhou or Passage / Gravitation or even Immortal Defense or Orchard's games except Motherland.

It basically is like this:
10 - Unique games
9 -
8 -
7 -
6 -
5 -
4 -
3 - Really epic games of a known genre
2 - Enjoyable games of a known genre
1 - The other useless copy crap

(between 3 and 10 is basically known genres with certain unique additions)
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8bit · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:43 am Post subject:

Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

Although this is somewhat true I don't like the wording.

I argue because I enjoy argueing and because I think that not every single small detail has been considered yet. Not just for the 'sake of argueing'.

Well sometimes I also argue because I know I am right and want to explain it to others and I wouldn't keep argueing eternally, I only continue until every single person that posted in that thread agrees with me, then I'd stop. :-)

8bit · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:51 am Post subject:

Rya.Reisender · **Snippy** Joined: 18 Jan 2008 Posts: 821

Dunno about you but these new game design threads are really enjoyable for me. :-)
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8bit · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:15 am Post subject:

Sheesh.

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Chenzi · Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:46 am Post subject:

I hate to tell you Rya, but you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. ClichÃ© games are the top market sellers. When a "completely original" game hits the market it has a 90% chance of absolutely bombing, and a 10% chance of succeeding.

Examples of Cliched Success: Final Fantasy VII (Steampunk, giant swords, giant hair, save the world story, love stories, etc)

Example of Original Success: Disgaea (This game has so much original stuff thrown together that it's almost overwhelming at times. The only thing cliched about this some aspects of the story, but even then, it's as a parody.)

Example of Original Failure: Legend of Legaia (Good game, had fighting game elements mixed in with the typical role playing game atmosphere. A plot that most people wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, but its sales were horrible, barely enough to make a sequel).

Examples of Cliched Failure: I'm sure there's one, but someone's gonna have to help me out with this one.

This is of course, talking about market success/failure as opposed to enjoyability factor. Some original game can be really enjoyable, but if I've realized anything over the years is that people who play RPGs want to see main things:

1. Increasingly large numbers, denoting damage/money/another variable.
2. The same story that they've seen a million times, change scares people.
3. Replayability
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Chenzi · Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:48 am Post subject:

Also, getting back to this thread, asking for too much help is in regards to a newbie game. Seeing how I've release plenty of titles on my own and in collaboration with others, it's laughable to see people trying to throw what I said in my face.
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