Castle Paradox

Rinku · Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 690

the advice was intended for cn -- since he requested advice with this thread. for his benefit, here is my fuller reasoning:

on a messageboard intended for a community, as castle paradox is, reviews, posts, and games on the game list have to obey certain agreed-upon community standards. here two standards were broken: the implicit (or maybe explicit -- i haven't read the review guidelines) idea that a reviewer must finish the game he reviews, and the implicit (or maybe explicit?) idea that games put on the game list include no material that the community would find objectionable, which includes swear words and actual game content. if a person could be banned for using such language, or for using newbie-speak, in their posts, i don't see that the game list is any different. also if a person knowingly breaks a review guideline, that is almost as bad, if not as bad. cn was understandably upset by the breaking of the review guideline (or maybe he's upset about the five hours wasted, or maybe both), so i was just offering advice on what i would do in his position -- and remember that he asked for this advice by making this thread and that he doesn't have to take it, and in fact i implied that he shouldn't take it, with the joke in number 4). it isn't my personal preference that says which games/posts/reviews are worthy of banning/removal, it's cn's; he has to decide what he thinks breaks the strandards of the community and what doesn't. so i viewed this thread as asking 'do you think this broke the standards of the community?' and i'm just replying with 'yes, and not just the review, but the game as well'. nothing could be simpler.

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"As for Rinku...I can't honestly say that your intentions have the community as a whole in mind (and when I speak of community, I mean the OHR community not CP)." // "I do have something against not allowing someone to make games and distribute them because of personal preference."

what intentions? i don't intend to do anything about either the game or the review -- except maybe not read the review and not play the game. also, are you saying that the game list should allow absolutely anything anyone wants to put on it? if someone put up a porn game, or a racist game, or just a huge file with no game in it just to waste space, would you have any objection to it being taken down? isn't that also a personal preference? remember that the game list is not 'public property', but owned by the person who owns this site, and the owner deciding not to let someone put a game on it is just deciding how best to keep the site.

anyway i'm not going write any more on this topic, except possibly to cn. my advice and the reasoning behind it is all above.

Eggie · Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 904

You "hated" RMZ?

What do you mean Hated?

Don't you mean Hate?

What's going on?

Setu_Firestorm · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:11 am Post subject:

Well, all this is really nice. First, you remove my testicles, then you leave me out in the open for the vultures.

Remind me to thank you in a polite manner, CN, `cause I sure don't feel it coming natural.

And Rinku, for a second there, I had a lot of respect for you as a game maker, and you think I should be banned for something this freaking stupid!? So I didn't include that I didn't beat the game! So freaking what? The world's still in one piece; should I be banned?

I do agree with everyone that I should have included that piece of info, but if you were forced in my shoes, Andrew, you sure as hell would feel violated by this line of bull!

Well, I appreciate that most of you here haven't feasted on my remains, so I guess I'll get back to reading.
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Eggie · Joined: 12 May 2003 Posts: 904

Oh God...

Someone is gonna snap.

Shadowiii · **It's been real.** Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Posts: 2460

Rinku - Ok. Understood. Sorry I was so...I dunno. Irrational. Guess I should have considered it from your perspective, eh. But you still could have said it nicer...

Setu - Don't worry, I honestly don't think anyone here blames you for what you did. Luckily most people are acting rationally about it (which is a first Raspberry!

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Uh...yeah. I think this thread has served its purpose...
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Fenrir-Lunaris · **WUT** Joined: 03 Feb 2003 Posts: 1747

I think I should point out that the admins are going at it with eachother, and at this point anything could happen. My advice to everyone would be to lay low for a while and let this nonsense all blow over.

As for the review in question, I see no problem with it. Do you think the people who reviewed FFH sought out every secret, and did absolutely everything there was to do, INCLUDING playing through with the special characters? No. Did they take on every hidden boss? No. Do those reviews accurately portray the playing experience of the game since it's been updated since those reviews were made? No. Would Setu's review accurately reflect the entire experience of RMZ's game when he releases his updated expansion to it? No.

jabbercat · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 2:23 pm Post subject:

LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 6:41 pm Post subject:

(Ban setu???!!! ACK! He is chief minstrel. The comunity could fall apart!)
Well,
I think cheating would only be acceptable if you couldnt beat the boss after
trying over and over is necessary (If you have truely given up) I have discussed it with Minnek, and He was being a REAL b**ch about the topic. Argueing over it after all that RMZ already said is as pointless as fighting an unbeatable final boss...
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Ysoft_Entertainment · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:25 pm Post subject:

Ok, guys, I know everyone is going to hate me for writing this, but here is my opinion on the matter

CN: Why in the world do you feel sorry for loosing the 5 hours of game play, In other words, if you see that you don't have time to play a game why play it at all? A game is just a game, it is meant to be for fun.

Setu: Dude, I don't think you did anything wrong, so don't feel bad, next time try to include the little note to CN: I didn't beat the game. as I think he is the only one who cares about it so much.

and people, A game is just a game, it is meant to be for fun, and not to fight over it.

as for the unbeatable boss, You haven't seen the unbeatable boss yet :flamedevil:

Well peace, don't hate me, but this is my opinion.
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Iblis · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:28 pm Post subject:

LeRoy_Leo · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:32 pm Post subject:

Well, it was sort of long, but that is no reason to blow it off...
Little posts, such as this, are fast, and easy to read. Believe it or not, you learned something today.

Ysoft, we dont hate you... At least I dont. Rolling Eyes

And everyone else are welcome to state any more oppinions, as far as I am concerned (not far at all)... You shouldnt worry what other people think, but the fact that they thought about it in the first place.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

I find really bizzare that so many of you tell me that you're perfectly fine with not being able to beat the final boss of a game, as long as the rest of the game is cool. I know that in most games, commerical and OHR, you do need to do a little preparing before you beat the final boss. Imagine playing a game and then finding to your horror that you'll need to levelbust for hours and hours...and even then you can't beat the boss. Finally, you email the creator and he tells you the boss is unbeatable even for him. Would your intial enjoyment with the game be so high? This is the problem of Setu's review, is that if he finished the game, the ratings for it would very doubtfully be the same.

This isn't like finding the secret ultima boss here. Guys, this is just beating the game. I'm not sure why all of you are missing this, or seem to think it's fine that's omitted, but hey, nothing I can do if the community feels that I've gone overboard with review standards like require to play games all the way through before you review them.

I'm not trying to pick on you Setu, or you either, Red. If this had been another reviewer and another creator, this still would have happened. I have no personal vandetta's against either one of you. I just wanted Castle Paradox to have truthful reviews from hardworking reviewers. I never thought that was wrong.

Inferior Minion · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:20 am Post subject:

* Inferior Minion thinks back to when he was 5......NES was the shiznit

Favorite game at the time....Super Mario Bros.

What a game!!! 2 player, super happy fun side-scrolling action, Duck Hunt on the same cart...what more could you ask for??

The problem....World 8. BIG HOLE OF "MY HAND EYE COORDINATION SUCKS".....you all know what I'm talking about....the whole the size of a football field with a strip of land yay big that you were supposed to land on halfway across....I COULD NEVER MAKE IT.

I didn't beat the damn game till 3rd grade, at least. That was thanks to Bowser's castle as well....but that jump was truly pitiful....especially when you haven't found the secret warps yet. However, the gameplay was sooooo much more fun it outweighed the fact that I couldn't beat it. I'd play it for hours, get to that point, lose all my lives, then start back up again.

Now RMZ not being able to beat the boss might be a deterent...but scroll back through those posts. He comes flat out and says why. And you know what.....after 4 years of playing Super Mario Bros. and finally winning.....that sense of accomplishment was truly astounding.
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Chaos Nyte · Reviewer Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 511 Location: Hirakata

I completely agree with you, IM.

...but...a review of Super Mario Bros wouldn't be complete if you could only get to world 8 and couldn't beat it, even if it was a lot of fun for the rest of the game. For all you knew, every level after 8 was just as bad as the impossible jump stage. And in this case, in Mr. Triangle's Shitty Adventure 5, I knew, and Setu knew, it was the final boss. And you said so yourself how you kept throwing yourself at it, like I did in Red's game, where Setu gave up and just wrote the review.

Hunter Green · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 12:53 am Post subject:

Well, I don't think anyone should be banned for this, and I'd consider Setu and RMZ about 3 pages more warned then necessesary, so perhaps the problem can be declared solved?
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