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fyrewulff
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 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Inferior Minion wrote: | | Fyre...you are a bitter, bitter man |
The truth isn't always so sweet. |
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Hunter Green
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 4:59 am Post subject: |
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whatever you have to tell yourself to be able to sleep at night, sir.
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fyrewulff
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Hunter Green wrote: | | whatever you have to tell yourself to be able to sleep at night, sir. |
I sleep quite well, actually. |
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Setu_Firestorm
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fyrewulff
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Aethereal
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Pepsi, nice post there, and let me clarify a thing or two for you as per your request:
| Quote: | | Sometime later O:OHR was mysteriously updated by this virtual unknown named Aethereal, and was greeted by a comment from Moogle saying, "I don't remember giving you the password," which either referred to the email address or the website itself (Aeth would have to clarify this one). |
The fact that Moogle never actually gave me the password is half true. He did give me the password to the FTP, however he never gave me the password to the e-mail (I assumed it was the same as the FTP, and I was indeed correct). The reason why Moogle gave me the password to the FTP is because I had noticed that O:OHR had gone for several months without an update (the previous update being the last one Moogle amde) and I asked Moogle why he hadn't updated. He explained to me that he could not access the FTP, and he thought his firewall was the problem. I offered to try to access it for him, and he agreed and gave me the login information, but it wouldn't work for me either. I figured the problem had something to do with Dryice, not us, so I e-mailed the guys there and, lo and behold, the FTP passwords had not been reset (for one reason or another). The password was fixed, and then we could log in. After that, the site was turned over to me, but the half-a-year or so lack of updates basically killed any more involvement in O:OHR, leading to its "death" (I put that in quotes because it is still archived here, just never updated). This is why I didn't update it for too long.
Also, just for the sake of things, I can understand why Cody found it difficult to update O:OHR alone...the site was not PHP-based, and therefore downloading, converting, fixing, and uploading everything (Yahoo tended to mess up a few things in the HTML of the reviews...) took quite a while.
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Rinku
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:30 am Post subject: |
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reading pepsi's story i stand corrected: i don't now know whether i support the archiving of op:ohr or not. it seems like cody never officially gave moogle1 or aeth the go ahead to continue it, but never either did he deny them it or ask that it be taken down. so it's a borderline case.
but as i said to fyrewulff in aim, permanent archives are great, but they shouldn't be public unless the things they archive are public. if people have trouble deleting games from cp (and the case type that pepsiranger described, about the publisher wanting to remove all things like that from online, *do happen*, and fairly regularly), imagine the trouble a person would have deleting a game from op:ohr.
another example: i'm currently writing a novel based on the game tilde and the mask of :p (82 pages done over the last 40 days, a pretty good rate for a first novel). if i sell the novel, the publisher would then also have the videogame rights to it, and would probably demand i take down any tilde games that are online. but i couldn't easily do that if i had uploaded it to op:ohr (and the demo of it that now exists on cp was made when op:ohr was alive, so that could have been a problem in a slightly alternate universe in which i was a little stupider). nor could i easily do that if today inferior minion died and cp froze its editing mechanism and no one else knew how to delete the game.
i'm not alone in writing novels based on ohr games, either. both ralfo and vidual either have written, or are writing, novels based on their ohr games. i had heard a rumor that mattgamerr was as well. and komera's game wingedmene is based in the world of novel-sized stories that she has already written.
anyway, i'm not asking that op:ohr be taken down, but i am asking that more care be taken to easily enable people to delete their games, both on op:ohr and on cp.
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Inferior Minion
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| Pepsi Ranger wrote: | | Imagine RPG Online if you will. I think most of the links to that site have been destroyed and its host site deleted, but what if it had been created on a stable server that still existed today? Steve let it go years ago and no one took over for him, and yet if it were on a stable server, it could be visited and used to download games from even today. So what if Vidual for example had written a book called "Origin," starring a character named Covn who just returned home by train from a great war? The publisher would want to capitalize on all the sales and adaptations, right? Since the publisher was the first to buy the rights to the story, the OHR game (which may have come first) would also belong to the publisher (in theory anyway). Now realistically the publisher would never find out about the OHR version unless Vidual spoke up about it, but if in the off-chance the publisher surfed the net and found ORIGIN.RPG on the website, he or she would want it taken off immediately by right of ownership and copyright law. Normally this wouldn't be a problem; Steve would simply take the game down by publisher's request. Except Steve doesn't run the site anymore. It just exists. No one in charge can actually take the game down because no one is in charge. And Vidual is the one stuck in the middle. |
Unlike RPG:Online, CP has proven multiple times (even today) that it is not on a stable server. It is running off of the Linux Tower in my bedroom. It is not remotely hosted. As long as CP is up and running, I will be hosting it.
Our staff has also shown on multiple occasions that a simple e-mail will get a game removed....depending on situation either the entire listing will be removed or just the game file. The factors are not something we can simply program in and it's something I'd like to keep in the hands of the admins. Don't even comment about it Fyre, you have no idea how interwoven CP's elements are and you have no idea how many admin only mods I've written. Further more, these elements were meant to interweave. A review of a game not in the gamelist helps no one. If it was meant to help the creator, then the game would have been uploaded to the gamelist for public viewing, otherwise the game was distributed by other means and should be discussed privately. If the review was meant to encourage/discourage the playing of said game, where are the readers supposed to get it?? Program OHRRPGCE.com as you will, but don't tell me how my programming is inefficient. I'll listen to improvements, but that one most definitely not.
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fyrewulff
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Inferior Minion wrote: | | Pepsi Ranger wrote: | | Imagine RPG Online if you will. I think most of the links to that site have been destroyed and its host site deleted, but what if it had been created on a stable server that still existed today? Steve let it go years ago and no one took over for him, and yet if it were on a stable server, it could be visited and used to download games from even today. So what if Vidual for example had written a book called "Origin," starring a character named Covn who just returned home by train from a great war? The publisher would want to capitalize on all the sales and adaptations, right? Since the publisher was the first to buy the rights to the story, the OHR game (which may have come first) would also belong to the publisher (in theory anyway). Now realistically the publisher would never find out about the OHR version unless Vidual spoke up about it, but if in the off-chance the publisher surfed the net and found ORIGIN.RPG on the website, he or she would want it taken off immediately by right of ownership and copyright law. Normally this wouldn't be a problem; Steve would simply take the game down by publisher's request. Except Steve doesn't run the site anymore. It just exists. No one in charge can actually take the game down because no one is in charge. And Vidual is the one stuck in the middle. |
Unlike RPG:Online, CP has proven multiple times (even today) that it is not on a stable server. It is running off of the Linux Tower in my bedroom. It is not remotely hosted. As long as CP is up and running, I will be hosting it.
Our staff has also shown on multiple occasions that a simple e-mail will get a game removed....depending on situation either the entire listing will be removed or just the game file. The factors are not something we can simply program in and it's something I'd like to keep in the hands of the admins. Don't even comment about it Fyre, you have no idea how interwoven CP's elements are and you have no idea how many admin only mods I've written. Further more, these elements were meant to interweave. A review of a game not in the gamelist helps no one. If it was meant to help the creator, then the game would have been uploaded to the gamelist for public viewing, otherwise the game was distributed by other means and should be discussed privately. If the review was meant to encourage/discourage the playing of said game, where are the readers supposed to get it?? Program OHRRPGCE.com as you will, but don't tell me how my programming is inefficient. I'll listen to improvements, but that one most definitely not. |
Except for the fact that you already told me, in #ParadoxLounge, that all you have to do is edit one thing to put in the delete button. Make up your mind.
Just because a game is not uploaded to CP does not mean it was meant to be "private" - as if CP is the only OHR site out there, which it is not. It means CP has a flawed system where non-uploaded games can't be reviewed. Simple as that.
The rest of your post is not even worth replying to. |
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Me
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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I dunno. I really don't see the logic in being able to review a game that isn't here. If I were to look on this site and see a really good review for some game, but then have to track it down through the usual series of broken links and incomplete websites, I wouldn't be happy. Here, i can read the review and get the game in one swell foop. So, I wouldn't call it a "flawed system," most definitely not.
| fyrewulff wrote: | | The rest of your post is not even worth replying to. |
Stop acting like this. Why don't you try being nice to people for a change? It'd probably take less effort to just work on your own site and game, rather than constantly coming over here and complaining. Seriously, if you started to support what others do, or at least refrain from harassing them about it, people would like you a LOT more. And people liking you is going to be a major factor in getting people to register at ohrrpgce.com. So please, stop attempting to shoot down everything that anyone associated with CP or CN says. It's not making me like you any more, that's for sure.
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Inferior Minion
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| fyrewulff wrote: | | Except for the fact that you already told me, in #ParadoxLounge, that all you have to do is edit one thing to put in the delete button. Make up your mind. |
Yes Fyre, obviously there's already a script for deleting games, since Admins can, and do, delete them. And yes, all I have to do is remove the tag that makes the button viewable to Admins only. However, if you would have read any of my post, you would know that the issue isn't the code that deletes the game, it's the grounds for deleting the entry that leaves the button an Admins Only Addition.
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fyrewulff
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Inferior Minion wrote: | | fyrewulff wrote: | | Except for the fact that you already told me, in #ParadoxLounge, that all you have to do is edit one thing to put in the delete button. Make up your mind. |
Yes Fyre, obviously there's already a script for deleting games, since Admins can, and do, delete them. And yes, all I have to do is remove the tag that makes the button viewable to Admins only. However, if you would have read any of my post, you would know that the issue isn't the code that deletes the game, it's the grounds for deleting the entry that leaves the button an Admins Only Addition. |
The author has every right to delete their entry. Just put the button there. |
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LeRoy_Leo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:09 am Post subject: |
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But what if it is your game applied with an old name of yours, thus not the same user. What would I do. I am not technically the same user, but I AM the same person. I need to delete something before I post a new version of the very same game that is up already as my old name... er- and user... I guess... It is also on Op:OHR, and I need to edit that one too.
PS: Just wondering. 
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MultiColoredWizard
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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It would be a whole lot better if you would just ask an admin instead of saying it in the middle of an argument with Fyre, which, by the way, is making hardly any sense.
| Quote: | | Just a side point, is that OHR Otaku came about way before O:OHR. I updated it every day, and this was at the time RPG Online was on it's way down. Know why almost no one submitted content? Because of my name. But, damn hell, Cody comes along! What a great idea, Cody! Let's start another OHR site! What's OHR Otaku again? It's happened to other people that come up with ideas, and then a more well known person steals that idea or uses it, then WHAM What a great new idea, Person X! |
Ever wondered why no one went because of your name? Really, just take a big guess. |
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LeRoy_Leo
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Yea, sorry for trying to change the subject and all. Fyre might just undergoing a hard time in his life. Well, if that is the case, then I can understand-err- sympathize with him. Um, dont you? -Erm. Those people who think the new guy who comes up with an original idea that has already been taken arent informed. The people who get that credit only get credit from those who didnt know that idea was already out there. Overall, you should be able to change peoples opinion on that.
PS: Psychology.
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